Defiance: Advanced Mission Beta 3 Details

[Asheki]

I can't count the number of times the "you didn't pay for the beta" argument has been shot down but I'll try yet again.

They did in fact PAY for the beta. It was sold as part of the package. They didn't buy a game and then find out later it came with a beta key. They bought a game presumably with that knowledge which influenced the decision to preorder for many. Thats like saying you buy a pizza deal with 2 "free" topings and when you get the pizza it has no free toppings or different toppings then you ordered but its ok cause they were "free" right? It deceptive. Xboxers were promised a beta with the common sense understanding a REASONABLE effort would be made to include as many players as possible. You can't offer a product and then place extreme limitations on its use like this. It may be legal in this case but its totally unethical.

I don't assume Trion has control over there beta times. I know for a fact they do. Perhaps there are some limits in place but surely ms isn't going to scuttle the launch of a major game title on there platform by forcing them into having a beta during the week and only for 37 hours. Until Trion says otherwise this is there screwup and they will rightly take the blame for it. Still wondering whose going to get fired over it though. Whoever made this call cost them thousand of dollars allready.

But in this case, you did get a Beta access.

[Ctrain]

This is hilarious. Are you all seriously debating this still? ***** and moan all you want but I very much doubt Trion are going to change those dates. Those dates are SCHEDULED, non-negotiable and fit in the development critical path.

If you have purchased a pre-order on the premise of a beta test then you are first, a moron. The beta is an additional bonus, one which you are still getting! That fact the length/dates aren't to your liking is your problem, not Trions.

Grow a pair and sort yourselves out.

OK mods I know your trying to leave the thread intact but if were not going to clear total garbage like this maybe it really is best to just close the thing. I'm not planning on preordering for the box regardless but I think the point has been made abundantly clear and it is the following:

1: We feel SLIGHTED because our beta is both shorter and worse scheduled then the pc and esp ps3 betas with no satisfactory explanation given as to WHY this was done. If its MS then SAY SO.

2: we feel DECEIVED in that it was common understanding we would have ample time to log in to the beta WE PAYED FOR and most of us will not even get a couple hours.

3: we WANT fair treatment in beta scheduling and length. A weekend beta and 4 days besides like ps3 gets.

4: we WILL be canceling preorders wholesale if this is not remedied to our satisfaction cause we are PAYING costumers and we can take our money elsewhere if were not happy with the treatment we recieve. Currently we are treated as second class players.

I don't claim to speak for everyone who preordered an XBOX copy but I know I speak for many.

[ZombieTech]

I can't count the number of times the "you didn't pay for the beta" argument has been shot down but I'll try yet again.

They did in fact PAY for the beta.

1. THEY pay for a beta INVITE. Nowhere did it state a guaranteed length or longevity of said beta, nor when it would take place.

2. THEY paid... you have admitted that YOU have paid nothing so far. Stop trying to be the martyr... not sure what that means? Look up the word "martyr".

[Tr3nch]

I can't count the number of times the "you didn't pay for the beta" argument has been shot down but I'll try yet again.

They did in fact PAY for the beta. It was sold as part of the package. They didn't buy a game and then find out later it came with a beta key. They bought a game presumably with that knowledge which influenced the decision to preorder for many. Thats like saying you buy a pizza deal with 2 "free" topings and when you get the pizza it has no free toppings or different toppings then you ordered but its ok cause they were "free" right? It deceptive. Xboxers were promised a beta with the common sense understanding a REASONABLE effort would be made to include as many players as possible. You can't offer a product and then place extreme limitations on its use like this. It may be legal in this case but its totally unethical.

I don't assume Trion has control over there beta times. I know for a fact they do. Perhaps there are some limits in place but surely ms isn't going to scuttle the launch of a major game title on there platform by forcing them into having a beta during the week and only for 37 hours. Until Trion says otherwise this is there screwup and they will rightly take the blame for it. Still wondering whose going to get fired over it though. Whoever made this call cost them thousand of dollars allready.



Some valid points and the only counter I can offer is that there are plenty of ways to let it be known what is going on by "leaking" information you may not want to admit publicly for this reason. But if Trion is willing to cave so easily to ms over the Beta they might as well cancel the XBOX launch cause you can't run an mmo with another company at the wheel. Its really not too late to offer refunds, tell the costumers your sorry that ms screwed them, and be done with them. Not saying MS did any of this mind you.

Ah just ignore the troll. He comes on here running his mouth, then gets called out and smacked around in the thread, disappears for several hours, and then comes back raging again.. Short version: He is a non-xbox, non-pre-order forum member, moaning and groaning about how he and xbox players got screwed. He calls everyone else trolls and no one has any valid point against his arguments.

And as long as he keeps talking crap, I will continue to call him out on it.

[Jay]

I'm going to say it QQ more please. the sad part is most of you are grown men, boys adolescence/teenagers I can understand the outrage ..but grown *** men? guys really?

[ZombieTech]

OK mods I know your trying to leave the thread intact but if were not going to clear total garbage like this maybe it really is best to just close the thing. I'm not planning on preordering for the box regardless but I think the point has been made abundantly clear and it is the following:

You've already stated you haven't paid a dime. You've said you're sure this is all going to bomb. You've stated numerous times how you're only staying to see it bomb and laugh when it does. You've mentioned in other places how much of a failure you want to see this become. Yet you continue to stay, rile people up, trying to belittle/insult/degrade Trion and scare people into not buying, and PRETEND like you speak for "WE the people". Who is WE!? YOU by your own admittance have NOT purchased nor paid for ANYTHING to date... therefor, by technicality you don't even qualify as WE.

PS - What you Ctrain are doing... is TROLLING... exactly what you keep accusing everybody else of doing when you can't accept the fact they're calling you out on your own facts. Got to love the many levels of irony buried in that.

[Tanzu]

take my money trion forget them butthurt people just release the game tooo meeeee

[Tr3nch]

You've already stated you haven't paid a dime. You've said you're sure this is all going to bomb. You've stated numerous times how you're only staying to see it bomb and laugh when it does. You've mentioned in other places how much of a failure you want to see this become. Yet you continue to stay, rile people up, and PRETEND like you speak for "WE". Who is WE!? YOU by your own admittance have NOT purchase nor paid for ANYTHING to date... therefor, by technicality you don't even qualify as WE.

BOOOM!! Let him have it Zombie. He started this yesterday. When I first saw his postings he was at 18 posts. He is at over 90 now and almost all of them has been whining about a game he hasn't even pre-ordered and continues to badmouth.

[Jay]

OK mods I know your trying to leave the thread intact but if were not going to clear total garbage like this maybe it really is best to just close the thing. I'm not planning on preordering for the box regardless but I think the point has been made abundantly clear and it is the following:

1: We feel SLIGHTED because our beta is both shorter and worse scheduled then the pc and esp ps3 betas with no satisfactory explanation given as to WHY this was done. If its MS then SAY SO.

2: we feel DECEIVED in that it was common understanding we would have ample time to log in to the beta WE PAYED FOR and most of us will not even get a couple hours.

3: we WANT fair treatment in beta scheduling and length. A weekend beta and 4 days besides like ps3 gets.

4: we WILL be canceling preorders wholesale if this is not remedied to our satisfaction cause we are PAYING costumers and we can take our money elsewhere if were not happy with the treatment we recieve. Currently we are treated as second class players.

I don't claim to speak for everyone who preordered an XBOX copy but I know I speak for many.

who is 'we' are you the Al Sharpton of the Xbox community? Granted you ARE entertaining me at work but you're making yourself look foolish man. Just move on, do some Yoga, meditation or something.

[Tanzu]

who is 'we' are you the Al Sharpton of the Xbox community? Granted you ARE entertaining me at work but you're making yourself look foolish man. Just move on, do some Yoga, meditation or something.

lol yoga XD