Thank you for killing Sawed Off Shotguns

[Asheki]

It does actually. People with Overcharge/Decoy+Shotguns do very, very poorly in PvP. The only other power that could work is Blur, but even that doesn't even begin to compare.

Cloak+Shotguns+CQC maps is what's killing PvP, *not* Sawed Off Shotguns. Just try killing someone in PvP with a Shotgun by running up to him and actually survive to land the shot. It is very difficult. Especially with a Sawed-Off.

Nerf. Makes. No. Sense!

I do it constantly, you don't need to be invisible to surprise someone in CQC ( its called situational awareness ), and without cloak... you can just do massive damage with things like Overcharge... Again, if you believe yourself to be right..

1- What is your sawed off loadout.
2- There needs to be a nerf, how would they do it in your opinion?

[Lyokira]

Here's a thought: What if sawed off shotguns are nerfed not because of PvP, but PvE?

Sawed shotguns can practically 1/2-shot almost anything, but has a long reload. Overcharge let's you reload immediately. Hence Overload with sawed off shotgun can 1/2-shot anything. But of course you have to wait for overcharge to refill. What's that, perks and weapon abilities which lets you quickly refill overcharge whenever you fully reload?

EDIT: Oh, and having electric element on your sawed off also gives you enough time to reload too, so you generally get time to shotgun twice before they can retaliate.

[COLD]

decoy perk can uncloak player just sayin... play some call of duty and you will know what really annoying ,guns or players

[Alcohol Fueled Brewtality]

I do it constantly, you don't need to be invisible to surprise someone in CQC ( its called situational awareness ), and without cloak... you can just do massive damage with things like Overcharge... Again, if you believe yourself to be right..

And would you call it overpowered? No, no you wouldn't, right? The risk vs. rewards are somewhat balanced, are they not? As such, Sawed Off Shotguns are *not* overpowered and did not deserve a damage nerf. Cloak is the problem. Surely you can follow my reasoning here? Cloak removes any and all downsides to Shotguns in general.

Cloak and the tiny PvP maps are the problems. If they had started with bigger maps, people would've complained about Cloak+Sniper Rifles instead. Cloak is just imbalanced in PvP.

As for how to fix it? I dunno. But one thing is for sure; nerfing Sawed Off Shotguns will have fixed nothing.

[Rainman]

Someones Mr Angry today...

[Asheki]

And would you call it overpowered? No, no you wouldn't, right? The risk vs. rewards are somewhat balanced, are they not? As such, Sawed Off Shotguns are *not* overpowered and did not deserve a damage nerf. Cloak is the problem. Surely you can follow my reasoning here?

Cloak and the tiny PvP maps are the problems. If they had started with bigger maps, people would've complained about Cloak+Sniper Rifles instead. Cloak is just imbalanced in PvP.

As for how to fix it? I dunno. But one thing is for sure; nerfing Sawed Off Shotguns will have fixed nothing.

According to sawed off users, the sawed off shotguns are still working great.

And you still haven't answered my questions, but I can understand if you need time to think. So you say cloak is the problem.. here's a new question then.

3) How do you fix cloak?

[K A S H I H A R A D]

Here's a thought: What if sawed off shotguns are nerfed not because of PvP, but PvE?

Sawed shotguns can practically 1/2-shot almost anything, but has a long reload. Overcharge let's you reload immediately. Hence Overload with sawed off shotgun can 1/2-shot anything. But of course you have to wait for overcharge to refill. What's that, perks and weapon abilities which lets you quickly refill overcharge whenever you fully reload?

Viable but doubtful. Mainly because you can already murder everything in the campaign in half the time without any unnecessary preparation or EGO usage what so ever with a full auto FRC Assault Rifle, Flashbangs and Ground Pounder Detonator.

[Wrenito]

Oh this guy again (op).

[Lyokira]

Separately, that ground pounder was also nerfed.

And I added that small edit of electric element, which lets you get two shots in anyway, without overpower. Overpower just makes it well, more overpowered.

[Alcohol Fueled Brewtality]

According to sawed off users, the sawed off shotguns are still working great.

And you still haven't answered my questions, but I can understand if you need time to think. So you say cloak is the problem.. here's a new question then.

3) How do you fix cloak?

I did actually. I said I don't know how to fix Cloak. It is imbalanced not only in certain aspects of it, but in it's entirely. As I said though, this nerf of Sawed Off damage will accomplish nothing to solve any sort of Shotgun problem in PvP. It was pretty much doomed when they decided to go with Cloak as an EGO Power.

It is a complicated issue that takes way more than a damage nerf to solve. The fact that they nerfed the Sawed Off while most people use Pump in PvP just adds to the stupid.