so do you guys ever intend to actually fix this game or...?

[Eisberg]

So you are claiming that other MMO's didn't fix issues within hours of release? That is your issue with my statement?

How about Diablo3 recently. Lots of people had trouble jsut getting logged in, fixed first day. Wow had zone crashes so bad the first day that the servers went offline for about 2 hours and when they came up the crashes were gone. Everquest 2 had broken quests in the starting zone that you couldn't finish which was holding up progression for some races, fixed within first day. We could go on and on about

WoW is a very bad example to use, they were giving all kinds of free time for months after release because of all the problems they had, with all the down time, the falling through the world that still existed for a few years, the game crashing, bugged mobs that would constantly evade, and so on and so on. Even after a year from launch, I was still getting preiodic free time because of all the problems they were having.

Everquest also had all kinds of problems that needed to be fixed that took many months before the got fixed.

Every MMO has been released in what could be called Beta state, and pretty much stayed like that for at least a year or more. Yes they got things fixed on the first patch for release day, so did Defiance, but none of them got all the major stuff fixed in the first few hours.

[majorlimprod]

lmao its a shooter with mmo aspects

[ironhands]

I call ******** on that. I can show you bugs in MMORPGS that have been around for YEARS. Some get fixed within days, some stay around for months. You're obviously just trying to start **** now with utopian ideals about 'the perfect mmo release' that doesn't exist in the history of releases. How about you take your own advice and let them voice their frustrations as well. ******.

in everquest, snakes kicked for 10 years.

[Oceanhawk]

WoW is a very bad example to use, they were giving all kinds of free time for months after release because of all the problems they had, with all the down time, the falling through the world that still existed for a few years, the game crashing, bugged mobs that would constantly evade, and so on and so on. Even after a year from launch, I was still getting preiodic free time because of all the problems they were having.

Everquest also had all kinds of problems that needed to be fixed that took many months before the got fixed.

Every MMO has been released in what could be called Beta state, and pretty much stayed like that for at least a year or more. Yes they got things fixed on the first patch for release day, so did Defiance, but none of them got all the major stuff fixed in the first few hours.

My point was they patched things immediately. They didn't sit on a patch for weeks only to have it not actually fix anything.

[jveilleux31]

I think the bigger issue is that they let it come to this at release.
Server issues yes expected, but actual gameplay issues and incomplete features? That stuffs not on.

agreed server stability and such is very common with mmos but the completely messed up features like the ongoing hatred of the voice chat system are not excusable.. i do believe Trion had no choice in releasing the game because they HAD to because of the show i would HOPE they given the choice they would have not released the game in the state they did...

[finesthops]

Patch was dandy, save for the fact that it apparently didn't take to PCs and we got shut down for an unstated amount of time, probably due to the fact that it was pushed back a day, which probably means they were following release suit and were no where near prepared to release it. And that it didn't fix even HALF of the issues the game is having. But fanboys will be fanboys, and I suppose the rest of us are out 60 bucks. It seems Trion really has a thing for unfinished products.

[Horde]

My point was they patched things immediately. They didn't sit on a patch for weeks only to have it not actually fix anything.

Did you miss the part where he said "that still existed for a few years"

[RedKelrick]

So you are claiming that other MMO's didn't fix issues within hours of release? That is your issue with my statement?

How about Diablo3 recently. Lots of people had trouble jsut getting logged in, fixed first day. Wow had zone crashes so bad the first day that the servers went offline for about 2 hours and when they came up the crashes were gone. Everquest 2 had broken quests in the starting zone that you couldn't finish which was holding up progression for some races, fixed within first day. We could go on and on about

So you are claiming that other MMO's didn't fix issues within hours of release? That is your issue with my statement?

How about Diablo3 recently. Lots of people had trouble jsut getting logged in, fixed first day. Wow had zone crashes so bad the first day that the servers went offline for about 2 hours and when they came up the crashes were gone. Everquest 2 had broken quests in the starting zone that you couldn't finish which was holding up progression for some races, fixed within first day. We could go on and on about

Diablo 3 was not fixed the first day. It took them almost a week to get login issues straight... Let's not talk about the horrid server lag that was present for almost 2 weeks. Heck even today I still get unexplainable server lag from them on occasions.

So World of Warcraft didn't have realms down for days because the issues were so bad? Heck I remember after WoLK their servers being offline for almost a day and some. Sure they refunded people time they lost, but WoLK was years after release. They shouldn't have those kind of issues anymore.

Now are somethings fixed within hours? Sure, but my point wasn't the time frame. Because some are fixed within hours. Most aren't. Most take weeks to fix and fix properly. I just wanted to see what you thought were reputable games. That was all.

[Eisberg]

My point was they patched things immediately. They didn't sit on a patch for weeks only to have it not actually fix anything.

Look at this section right here

http://forums.defiance.com/forumdisp...ive&order=desc

Read each and every one of those thread. You will see they have been fixing things both on server and client side since they have launched the game, even on the same day they launched the game, actually nearly everyday since they launched the game they have been fixing things.

[Virk Gale]

Patch was dandy, save for the fact that it apparently didn't take to PCs and we got shut down for an unstated amount of time, probably due to the fact that it was pushed back a day, which probably means they were following release suit and were no where near prepared to release it. And that it didn't fix even HALF of the issues the game is having. But fanboys will be fanboys, and I suppose the rest of us are out 60 bucks. It seems Trion really has a thing for unfinished products.

Pfft if you want to see an unfinished product, try and play simcity 2013 ... Thats an unfinished product!