Defiance vs firefall

[Fikticio]

I stand corrected then.


Responses be all written up in Red.

Hi Siantlark,

Sorry if I had a bad choice of words in some cases and if I was not clear enough on the point I was trying to make.

I know that now there is more to do besides thumping, but, when Red5 put the game on the beta they said early this year (one of the first convetion of the year) that Thumping and crafting will be the maine focus of there PvE, and, in a way it still is, you just have to go to the foundry of the mecanic.
Regarding what Rob Hill said, its my fault, i was talking in Defiance about the upgrade sisteme, should have not called hit crafting, sorry, but to me in a sense it is.

On the open PvP, my point was unclear. I whanted to say that open world PvP in Firefall was not needed and my my view as almost no sense. But if they need to put it in, ok.

In the events system, what i ment ist that, if not for games like GW2 and RIFT, that focused a lot of resources in those, Firefall mabe would still have just Thumping in it.



-Emphasis on team based gameplay-
Here, what i just ment is that in Firefall you dont need to group up to do it. You are just there and you participate, you do dmg or heal or suport... there is no real reson for you to group up. No co-op maps. No real need of a guild or a clan. Its more casual frendly.


In last my pro list was not to be what Defiance add and Firefall not. Just What for me is appealing in the game.
But if you whant to go that way.

- The arte style, ye its a matter of opinion.
- Yes the game as only 2 playable races, not 7. 7 is the total of alien races of the game/tv show. If you look at there live 24hour stream they said it, and in others interviews to.
- in depth character costomisation, Trion said that they will have a character criation with a lot of option, they mentioned tatoo and haircuts skin ton... and in the videos they have you can see where its going to be. In Firefall you can not call there character criation a good one.
- in depth armor (appearance) costomisation, jsut look at Defiance videos and you will tons of different "players". In Firefall after 7 months my Bioframme looks the same and i have made several spare changes and improvement. Whats the point in be a TPS if you have a FPS look a like game. If i play a TPS i whant to feel the evolution on the armor, look at what you can do in Mass Effect with Shepard's armor and it makes it look cool.


I hope I have been more clear this time.



Go Defiance go.

[Carnak]

Definitely some similarities - sci-fi, shooter, post-apoc, open classless / muticlass character development.

But I think Defiance has some big advantages.

I am aware of Firefall and have read the occasional article but I already knew about Defiance so never got into it. At most I might have played it to pass the time while waiting for Defiance, if Firefall had made it out first.

Two key things:

1) Many potential players of Defiance and Firefall would be sci-fi fans. There's no real sci-fi on TV any more. Lots of sci-fans are starved and desperate. Defiance the TV show only needs to be semi-good to pick up an audience.

All other things being equal (gameplay, appeal etc.) I think if someone is watching the show and even liking it a little they would choose Defiance over Firefall.

2) Anyone who follows the industry even a little bit closely couldn't be ignorant of Rift's good reputation. That makes me more confident about Defiance than Firefall. I'm also very impressed with eg. Rift's recently released housing system and the possibility of a similarly robust housing system being introduced in Defiance makes me drool a little.

[Siantlark]

Definitely some similarities - sci-fi, shooter, post-apoc, open classless / muticlass character development.

But I think Defiance has some big advantages.

I am aware of Firefall and have read the occasional article but I already knew about Defiance so never got into it. At most I might have played it to pass the time while waiting for Defiance, if Firefall had made it out first.

Two key things:

1) Many potential players of Defiance and Firefall would be sci-fi fans. There's no real sci-fi on TV any more. Lots of sci-fans are starved and desperate. Defiance the TV show only needs to be semi-good to pick up an audience.

All other things being equal (gameplay, appeal etc.) I think if someone is watching the show and even liking it a little they would choose Defiance over Firefall.

2) Anyone who follows the industry even a little bit closely couldn't be ignorant of Rift's good reputation. That makes me more confident about Defiance than Firefall. I'm also very impressed with eg. Rift's recently released housing system and the possibility of a similarly robust housing system being introduced in Defiance makes me drool a little.

There is no good sci-fi on TV anymore which is mostly the fault of producers and such pigeonholing sci-fi into the geeky/nerdy niche that won't garner a wide audience (Never mind the fact that other genre shows and films like the Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, and LOTR have a large following) so if the show is any good it'll definitely be a plus.

You could argue that the fact that Red5 is made up of many veteran developers in the industry (Mark Kern, Scott Youngblood, Former Bioware, 38 studios, etc etc. is also reason to be confident in them but you're right. Red5 is a new company and a new IP and it's unproven like Trion has been with Rift.

I'd honestly like to see them both succeed. They're promising new IP's that can potentially have a larger effect in revitalizing and expanding a stale category of games that have been needlessly neglected for the part generation. The shooter scene and the MMO scene need hybrids like Firefall and Defiance to try and bring back interest.

[SparklingNugs]

Personally, I love everything about FireFall except for the jetpacks. Unfortunately, they're a huge part.

[NitroMidgets]

I've been around Firefall for over two years now. I think that both games are different enough to garner their own fans as well as shared fans. I'm waiting for Defiance yet I am an NCO on the Firefall forums. From what I have seen I could easily get lost in either game world. There is enough great concepts in common while having their own spin on gaming and individual characteristics. Simply put, there is room for two genre creating games out there.

Things don't have to compete against each other in order to for them to each be a huge success.

[Carnak]

Things don't have to compete against each other in order to for them to each be a huge success.

I'm sure there'll be some players who play both especially since at least one (Firefall) will be free to play.

But a lot of players (eg. me) prefer to play one game at a time regardless of payment model. For those players every game is in competition for their attention (and money).

[Zore]

I'm not sure can really compare the two as far as fun factor goes. Defiance is in another league altogether. If you like to push and hold the mouse button then firefall wins. 3 out of 5 classes just hold the mouse button down while shooting.

Firefall may have been great before it got bought out by a F2P Chinese company but as of right now its complete garbage.

Firefall is built on PVP but yet the only class anyone plays is assault its like a carl gustav with a jet pack.

In my worthless internet opinion

Overall Firefall is a 3 at best.

[jcdraider]

I personally will play both.

I'm in the firefall beta and got in for free permanently. Noticed a lot of people claiming that they are just doing a money grab, but me and my friends all have the permanent key without paying a dime. I did invest $20 dollars in their game because I see great things coming from Red5. I've not made it into the beta for Defiance. Looks good, but hard to give a full oppinion on an game I have yet to try. I have high hopes of many hours wasted on both games.

The list of content that they are planning on releasing plus the ambitious claim that the game will have a 1/10 scale map(s) of the earth to explore excites me. Comments have also been made that they have 5 years worth of story to be released episodically in the game done by famous author Orson Scott Card. Hopefully all this and the numerous other stuff they're making for the game will be great. Won't know until they implement it in the game. So it will be an interesting year for those interested in Firefall.

I love the art style and character customization I've seen so far for defiance. I agree that firefall severely lacks in character customization. What little of the play style I've seen looks fast paced enough to keep more than entertained. Lets hope it all comes together well with the tv story and game ties. Should be worth it, but won't know until I experience it.

[Bartlomiej]

firefall have better engine
Defiance is WoW 30% better engine. *g*

[Darky]

for us consoles users Defiance is the way to go and as you know Shooters sells best on consoles so Defiance has a huge advantage over Firefall.