Trion is a great company?

[Snugglebuns]

Don't bother using logic with the OP. It doesn't work no matter how easy you spell it out for him.
**Edit: Also, just because someone doesn't agree with you, it does not make them a fanboy. When everyone disagrees with you, it means you're wrong. Life tip.

[teccho]

[Jackaleffect]

To be fair, almost of all Defiance is built around 4-player groups. Only Arkfalls have more players at a given time and we all know how horribly the enemies, players and effects glitch out during those. PSU is as much of an MMO as Defiance by your own definition.

EDIT: Also, currently you cannot enter matchmaking with a group in Shadow War. There is no clan support for matchmaking either. Most online shooters do all of this and more and none of them are MMOs.

EDIT_2: If anything, Defiane deserves the acronym P.O.S. (Persistent Online Shooter). The secondary meaning seems appropriate in many ways however.

WoW = mmo: five player for most of the game u can do raids but its pointless unless doing a raid at end game
defiance = mmo: four player most of the game u can do raids (arkfalls) yes u may not be able to party up but same difference.

So explain to me again why defiance aint an mmo? massive multiplayer online as far as i can see there is a mass of people online at once and u can do multiplayer lol PSU is an online rpg for the fact you cant do anything at all without joining a "game" its a virtual bloody lobby that is all.

As for not being able to join shadow wars as a group incorrect you can join shadow wars as a group tho i do agree the clan thing is abit pointless (at the moment) we do not know where this is going to be heading just like WoW when that first started out there where only 5man instances and two 10man till it evolved into the 30man and then to 25man and so forth.

Let the game evolve first and stop comparing it to other games that have nothing in common with it (tho ironacly i just did the same thing but i was making a point of the mmo aspects not the game itself)

[Haviic]

Much appreciated. lol I'm not sure any amount of honesty, laced with sarcasm of course, will help our little pessimistic friend..

[ToneSim]

If you love MMO'S this much, why not go to PC Gaming? Trion has been working on this game for over 4 years I hear. NO EXCUSE why this game should BLOW. They even had a beta on each system to test it all out. Tis game right now is 50 50. Sometimes it works, Sometimes it doesn't. It should be atleast at 80 20..........But its not. NO EXCUSE

having said I have played many mmos you would think common sense would tell you that most of them were on pc, since xbox has had......3.

your comment puts it as though this game's issues stem from the fact that it was developed multiplat. again, MOST mmos have these kind of issues and they typically do not get cleared up inside the first two to three weeks. usually much longer. that is the nature of the beast. the reason I was so hungry for a console mmo is that I have not owned a gaming worthy cpu in years, I cannot afford to make on to the specs suited to my habit.

[Snugglebuns]

Im trading this game in today and never looking back. Peace

Well, I'm still waiting for you to trade it in. My guess is you won't.

[Valhallas Son]

I've played a few mmos on the computer mainly Star Trek and champions. this is my first for the Xbox i notice a pattern of repetition to the mission structure..no big deal and yeah it's alot like borderlands..and fallout and fallout"s bast@rd clone Rage..again no big deal for me. however not desert enough for the whole Road warrior/mad max thing. WHO RUNS BARTER TOWN??? my only issue is....why do i have to re download everything just so my woman can play it on her account?

[x Togath x]

Ill keep my xbox, and my 2 to 16 player online gaming that actually works and I have fun all the time. Who wants or needs 10000 plus players online if the game stays broken 24 7, 7 days a week? I surly dont. Have fun with this GARRRRRRRBAGE

Yeah go play black ops 2 and run around a corner from someone shooting just to be shot by them 5 feet later. Or maybe have some fun with head glitches. Oh wait you probably live the quick scope noob hubs don't you. **** get out of this forum and stop ruining a great game by you diseased ignorant digital representation.

[Hiero Glyph]

@Jackaleffect

First, ironacly is my new favorite word!

Second, the point is that while PSU was entirely instanced, most of the group content for Defiance (Co-op, PvP, Shadow War) is instanced as well. The only MMO aspect in the game currently is Arkfalls. Anyway, PSU was an MMO that only used instances, while Defiance primarily uses instances. In the end, they are both MMOs however.

Finally, Shadow War has never once worked for me when trying to enter as a group. If it works for you great, but so far my friends and I have tried several times every day and never once gotten in as a group.

[mrgrimezHD]

Every game I buy for the xbox, when a patch comes out to fix a problem for that game, it works. This patch that just came out for Defiance did not work. It has made things worst. Oh and lets not forget about the first patch they had when the game launched.. Day 1 2 and 3, was unplayable. Trion needs lessons from companies like Treyarch, Infinity Ward, Epic Games, bioware, to name a few. I see why not many MMO's are not on the xbox. They dont work over half of the time.

I'm sorry what? it appears you mentioned Treyarch... and... Infinity Ward? Yeah because they're text book developers that do everything flawlessly lol /sarcasm you clearly don't have a clue.

I see why not many MMO'S are not on the xbox. They dont work over half of the time.

/facepalm