ign gives the game a 5.9? are you kidding me...

[hardy83]

i give it a 6 or a 7. id give swtor a 8, wow a 9 and gw2 a 10 xD but that's just me

I'd give this a 7.5
TOR a 5
WoW 9
GW2 an 8.5
Rift an 8.5

:P I was REALLY disappointed with ToR as you see. lol

However if I was a reviewer, i would purposely do what I would call a "Launch review" and then 1-3 months down the road a "How's things now review" In which I may actually change the score of the game, as MMOs are a bit of different beast than other games and giving one a static store at launch isn't really fair to me.

[Noctrin]

IGN and accurate reviews do not go together well in the same sentence..

[PseudoCool]

Well.. I may as well NOT give any review here in this thread, else I be reported again for pimp-slapping some whiner who's done nothing short of bad mouth this game since the first post he put up here, and followed that with bad mouthing anyone who's disagreed with him...

But hey... that's not me...

Frankly.. I say Defiance is a solid 7, maybe even a 7.5. The big detractor for me however in giving it a higher rating, is the totally borked chat system for PC, and the static UI. Fixing those two things, and Defiance is a solid 8.5 or 9 (depending on if they give the player control to adjust their UI to fit them).

As for the other games people are mentioning.. yeah.. I Alpha/Beta'd every one of them. I'm here, not there.. should tell you exactly how I rate the game and the community behind it.

[RegularX]

You should actually read the review, and not just comment on the score.

In all honesty, he is right with what he´s writing about.

I'm reading the PS3 version, which is what I am playing. And no - he is not.

"Rare well-designed quests are overshadowed by a host of others that feel phoned in...."

The story quests = 10 hours of play, roughly. The coop quests, which are a fairly well designed - another 5. The rest is pretty run of the mill for the MMO genre. No, Defiance does not deserve a blue ribbon here, but it at worst it is cut rate average for the genre.

"and though the fundamentals of shooting are competent, weak enemy AI makes the PvE combat a bore"

I don't know what MMO's these guys have been playing. The fact that this game alone makes shooting feel like a real third person shooter is remarkable. EGO is the only thing with a timer clock. The last PS3 MMO that tried this (DCUO) - didn't come close to this level of feeling like a real "shooter" This is, if anything, one of Defiance's real strengths.

"Respectable PvP combat goes a long way"

WTF? Seriously? The PvP is OK - but ... it's pretty flawed at best. Weapons aren't balanced for it. The interesting side of it - Capture and Hold, is kind of broken at the moment. Basically, imo - I think Shadow Wars holds a lot of promise but only once matchmaking and instances can be consistent.

I seriously have no idea what game IGN is reviewing at this point.

"when the major performance issues rear their ugly head, it's not far enough to make Defiance a recommendable experience."

On the PS3, there have actually been few performance issues. Performance is not the problem. Lag is not the problem. It happens, it just is not the problem. The many, many, many bugs at launch is a big problem. It's a huge problem. It is the elephant in the room problem. Even if you take the "every MMO has bugs at launch" angle, it is still probably the number of bugs which are going make you start the conversation on potential Defiance flaws.

And where is IGN in their verdict on that? Nowhere. I don't know what it is about gaming media that forces them to do this weird contortionist act so that they don't have to acknowledge launch bugs - but there it is. This is the same group (with plenty of company) that gave Skryim rave reviews despite being technically flawed at launch for two out of three platforms. Or Fallout: New Vegas, which got barely a paragraph talking about how you might just possibly have to reboot your console multiple times just to get through a mission.

I don't hate IGN, but some of their reviews are kind fscked up. This is one of them.

Look, in its current form - Defiance is probably a 7/10. It is not a great game. I really like it - but it is certainly flawed. If I was generous, I would give it an 8 - but only on the promise for great added content down the road. But 5/10? Because the PVP was awesome and PVE sucked?

Seriously, that guy needs a new job.

[Xyr3s]

WoW kept me trapped in a love/hate relationship for over seven years, but yes, I'd probably also give it a 9/10, though I'm glad I broke the habit. TOR, eh, I got bored before I had even used up my free time that came with the game. GW2, I got bored of after less than 30 hours. It was just more of the same.

I'd only give three games a 10/10: Ultima Online the way it was in 1997, Diablo 2, an Borderlands 2. Been sixteen years and I STILL miss UO.

yea id give diablo 2 a 10 as well lol... but diablo 2 isnt a mmo it's more of a cop-op like borderlands xD

[PRE]

So Defiance review scores are the same as aliens colonial marines pretty much... wtf?

[GodsofGravy]

This game should of got a solid 4 in my opinion. Game is lacking in several areas....fun but it wont keep me playing for more then a few months. But that's just me.

[Insanityplea]

Dont take anyone elses opinion on something unless they are a friend that knows your likes/dislikes rather well.

Examples would be...
review sites for games, **** em
Your friend tells you "This game is like this + this + this - these features + some new ****, you'll like it! Probably right...sometimes wrong, but not often...unless its THAT friend.

[Trooper Orange]

5.9 is a bit generous if you ask me. In its current state. :/

[PseudoCool]

Dont take anyone elses opinion on something unless they are a friend that knows your likes/dislikes rather well.

Examples would be...
review sites for games, **** em
Your friend tells you "This game is like this + this + this - these features + some new ****, you'll like it! Probably right...sometimes wrong, but not often...unless its THAT friend.

I'm always "THAT" friend...

The guy who got you to eat yellow snow...

The one who got you to lick that really cool looking red frog...

The one who told YOUR parents that it was your idea to stay out partying until 5am, no matter how many times I told you to stop drinking and get in the car.. (all while handing you more drinks)..

Yup.. I'm THAT friend I think