The game is a grind already?

[ThanatosPa]

Does this seem a bit soon to others? I dont remember ANY other MMO becoming a "daily, no reward giving, boring/frustrating" grind so soon. And I cant even sit in town and chat. This is the first one I swallowed whole(got the Season Pass too) and I am already tired of driving around trying to max a crappy weapon cause my skill wont increase if I dont. Gotta kill X in area Y for random Contract but the damn Goldrusher is NEVER around crap.

COME ON!!!!! I am/was a fanboy. I still think the game can be saved. What can we the community do(other than give more money) to help?

[GodsofGravy]

I agree with you. This game wasn't made for people like us.....waiting for Destiny now lol

[demonichatered]

Does this seem a bit soon to others? I dont remember ANY other MMO becoming a "daily, no reward giving, boring/frustrating" grind so soon. And I cant even sit in town and chat. This is the first one I swallowed whole(got the Season Pass too) and I am already tired of driving around trying to max a crappy weapon cause my skill wont increase if I dont. Gotta kill X in area Y for random Contract but the damn Goldrusher is NEVER around crap.

COME ON!!!!! I am/was a fanboy. I still think the game can be saved. What can we the community do(other than give more money) to help?

wait wat... i have to LVL my weapon to get weapon skill XP? i thought i just had to use the weapon type.....right? ( not trolling )

i think the problem is is that thye never hsoudl have done a season pass.. but they had to do a season pass because of 360 and ps3 ( coudl be wrong,probably am ) DAMN i can't write for ****.. my mind is dictating faster thna my hand scan type... LOL..

ok off topic.

well i think we can start by giving more constructive criticism and less Biatch Biatch Biatch. i mean i understand people get heard the more they complain and if they complain loudly enough.. but all this beeyotching is drowning out the constructive criticisms.. especially here in the forums. look at the main thread and tell me at what page number do you find a truely constructive criticism? ( might also be in the wronf thread for this >.>

also we can be a bti more patient... i understand its been over 2 weeks.. but if im nto mistaken( though i could be im not an expert on these thing) most games don't get to their full potential until they are within their 2nd month. ( if even that )

i can probably come up with more but i want to see what others offer and think of my post.

[Tgreen]

As usual I learned of the game quite a while ago but didn't take any intrest until it hit live. I also tend to never purchase items that depend on a game staying great in the future ... over a dozen years of MMO gamin tell me to know better.

Now that I've played Defiance thoroughly however, I think gameplay and itemization in general is really really good and third person shooters are very rare for PC, so it even has a niche for itself in a genre that's very popular on consoles.

Contracts are OK, they still need some polishing in numbers to balance them and after EGO 2500 or something there should be an additional daily one. Contracts basicly are most efficient for those who know the world, to take your example, there are some emergencies, open spots and persistant missions with one or even several goldrushers.

The only thing bothering me is how there was too much loot before the patch (if you did hellbug events, like every intelligent person who wants loot did) and really not that much right now ... the game was reduced to co-op, some repeatable sidemissions and major arkfall end events for PvE ... maybe a 2nd playthrough for those into doing solo missions, but you wouldn't repeat that too often since while mist story missions are balance well between effort and reward some are quite long and don't give you a lot of stuff.

Which leaves the majority of open world content (emergencies, most persistant missions and minor arkfalls) ignored, since they're not rewarding to do. Even major arkfalls, as long as you do more than one crystal and the end event have a bad effort/time ratio.
You really need a ton of key fragments to get good items, since it's very random what you pull out of lockboxes.

And of course, buying key fragments has to be optimized ... not being able to buy in bulk and having to confirm every buy (confirming everything you do in the salvage matrix as well) is a real quality of life issue.

[Raikon]

Well, if you don't like it, go away and stop the *****ing.
Its an MMO, you grind, you quest, you wait for DLC.
Didn't you know that when you bought the damn game ?

[demonichatered]

daaaaaamn this thread became toxic in 5 posts...
Raikon.. they werent yellign at the makers of trion... : goes to check: nope he didn't he was just asking if anyone felt that the game play was a little fast. he hen asked what do WE feel WE can do to help Trion out. he didn't ask what can we do to force trion to do somethign about it.

Tgreen

he asked what do WE feel WE can do to help Trion out. though you raise some good points

[Garu]

It depends what you call a grind. I have played alot of MMORPG's my first MMO was called legend of mir 2 now that game was basically you kill the same mobs over and over again for years to level up and once in a while you go to a kings room to fight a boss and kill other players there waiting for the boss then you go back to killing the same mobs over and over. That is a grind. Now a game i played not to long ago maybe 4 years ago? RF Online was pretty much the exact same when it comes to leveling and they had an awful awful weapon leveling skill grind compared to how it is in this game it would take you months to level a weapon skill up. Most games today dont have these grinds unless you play a lot of the eastern MMO's which still have alot of the grind in the game, its probably why i am more forgiving of the "grind" in defiance. The only "grind" i have not enjoyed in defiance so far has been the BMG lvling the rest of the guns have been fun to use to level up.

[Evilution]

I don't mind grinding for my loot, I just don't like grinding to have a go at a lotto and end up with loot that I will sell or salvage at the end of it. If the lockboxes especially tier 4 had a minimum guarantee of a purple and higher drop rate of orange it would be more worth it. I'm not saying make orange drop way too often but they should be at least around 10% chance maybe. Even at that high you still have to be lucky enough for your weapon type and synergy so that reduces the odds of what you would like also. They also need to fix the mod cache to give out more synergy mods for when we are lucky enough to get a weapon we like and then we still have to be lucky to get the mod we want. I think you should be able to reset your weapon to keep leveling it and I don't mind the faction grinding, but they should give a better description on some and more specific locations so it's not a pain trying to find some.

I wouldn't mind seeing some faction specials as well, they are generic weapons and they don't even have every type of weapons in purple with their specific faction mods on it. Maybe give them a certain look and firing colour so we can say we have a von bach smg for example, and we had to work for it, maybe faction armour as well. Or make the weapons different to ones we get from drops and boxes. Because apart from the mods they aren't special compared to other weapons and it's easier to grind keys for a purple weapon than a faction specific one. Maybe make the co-op final bosses have a chance at dropping some decent loot so that they have a bit more meaning when you run them for keys, sometimes it's not the grind that's the problem, it's the reward for doing so.

[Fiancee]

I dont mind at all, but some of my weapon skills are still stucked, oddly enough SMG raised to 4, but Sniper/Shotgun is stucked.

[Rend]

DAMN i can't write for ****.. my mind is dictating faster thna my hand scan type... LOL..

You realize, that you can always delete and rewrite a word. Or does your typewriter have internet access?