Everything in this game just seems... pointless...

[Jestunhi]

Entertainment is really any positive experience. You start to encounter confusion if you try to imagine entertainment is entertaining.

[No... you experience confusion. Entertainment being entertaining is not confusing for me. I'm also not confused when horror films scare me, nor when emo's act emotional.

An action (sitting on the couch and paying attention to a movie, the act sex, winning an argument, climbing a mountain, etc.) becomes entertainment if you do it for fun.

Bolded again... it's entertainment if you do it for fun, but entertainment is apparently not doing something entertaining? Or is this about the difference between "fun" and "entertaining"?

Like people who complain about mmos because they don't enjoy the required farming don't find it entertaining. Ask an old ***** if they enjoy sex, might get an interesting response.

MMOs do not require a gear grind. MMO is not MMORPG. And even MMORPGs do not need a gear grind and not all have them.

Disney Land is a place where people are entertained. That makes it entertainment but entertainment is not the act and reward. Entertain is a very vague verb because it can be literally anything that provides entertainment.

So would you not go to a theme park like Disney World in order to have fun / be entertained? What would would you go there for?

For your reckless bolding:

Sure. If say, Defiance driving was ****ing awful (Which it's not), and the only way to reach a fun fight was to drive. I would drive because I was forced to in order to reach fun content. It's not a far stretch is it?

Hmmm...

If the actions you take in the game are not things you find entertaining and there is nothing forcing you to participate then you don't bother.

OK, let's re-look at this quote while considering "the actions" to be just one small part of the game (e.g. driving) instead of the act of playing the game.

You're correct.

For example if you don't like PvP you would only do it if forced to.

However I fail to see how this has any relevance to the discussion, which was the "point" of playing a video game.

[jnt]

[No... you experience confusion. Entertainment being entertaining is not confusing for me. I'm also not confused when horror films scare me, nor when emo's act emotional.
Bolded again... it's entertainment if you do it for fun, but entertainment is apparently not doing something entertaining? Or is this about the difference between "fun" and "entertaining"?
MMOs do not require a gear grind. MMO is not MMORPG. And even MMORPGs do not need a gear grind and not all have them.
So would you not go to a theme park like Disney World in order to have fun / be entertained? What would would you go there for?
Hmmm...
OK, let's re-look at this quote while considering "the actions" to be just one small part of the game (e.g. driving) instead of the act of playing the game.
You're correct.
For example if you don't like PvP you would only do it if forced to.
However I fail to see how this has any relevance to the discussion, which was the "point" of playing a video game.

There you go reading different meanings into the things I say. I'm not confused. I never said you should be confused that horror films scare you, come on now. Entertainment is a broad description of any act that brings entertainment to a participant. Saying a game is entertainment is marketing. Finding it entertaining when you play it is separate.

-When I go to Disney Land it's entirely because the people I go with enjoy it and I gain some degree of happiness by making them happy. The actual experience of the part means nothing to me.

Something I have said before though is that MMOs require player retention to remain massively multiplayer.
"MMOs do not require a gear grind. MMO is not MMORPG. And even MMORPGs do not need a gear grind and not all have them."

Grinds are just easy ways to retain players assuming the repetitive actions are generally enjoyable.

Our entire discussion has been an aside to the actual thread because you tried to tell me entertainment is entertaining rather then saying an entertaining action constitutes entertainment. There is a decided difference.

[Phrase Universe]

Wow, I think we have found evidence someone is just a attention *****(OP), I hope you have had your fill attention *****(OP).

Good work.