"Put simply, our enthusiasm got the best of us and we’re making up for it by..."

[Taaltos]

I wholeheartedly second this for such vile sorcery should not exist in this world or any other.

Love that avatar!

Is that Voldemorts sister? xD

[K A S H I H A R A D]

Love that avatar!

Is that Voldemorts sister? xD

Nope but close. It's the refreshingly witty Indogene doctor from the TV show.

[ironhands]

And yes, you are totally and 100% correct, however, if the packet loss is coming from Trion's end, like I keep suggesting, then there is nothing I can do about it regardless of my modem/router settings. And yes, my xbox modem has a built in router but I dont use it and have it turned off. I do quite a bit of competitive gaming through Halo and Mass Effect so making sure my equipment is capable of handling the games is very important. If packet loss is the issue as you suggest, what im telling you is the loss is not coming from anywhere near my end, and its only happening with Defiance. So I really have no choice but to wait until Trion comes up with a work around, which again, im not ok with. I didnt spend 125$ for a game so I could wait to play it.

And I didnt mean to insinuate that you said only 4 people on earth were having issues, I was simply speaking facetiously.

here's the deal - you can compensate for it, since data transfer is a handshake dealie in many respects.

What many have suggested the issue is, is the mtu fragmentation. the higher it is, the more efficient the transfer. if you lower it, you get more accuracy, sacrificing some bandwidth. pretty much, you're saying hey trion, send me a list of names, can you send me 10 at once?" trion says "hey, sure, here you go!" then your router replies "hey, i only got 8, wtf?" trion syas "wtf? i sent 10".

You may be able to fix it by saying "hey, router, when someone asks for a list of names, only accept 8 at once, 'cause someone's screwing with the lines"

again, for what seems the 12th time, it is most likely not on your end, but that doesn't mean you can't work around it.

If you have to go to work, and there's an accident on the highway, do you call in saying you can't go, or do you take a side street? You're just telling the router to take a side street that won't really change performance very much, but may improve your connection dramatically.

halo and mass effect will likely work fine regardless of this issue, because you're not dealing with nearly as much data being sent back/forth. ME3 has what, 4 players, and maybe 20 enemies at once? Halo about the same. Defiance, 100 ark hunters on an arkfall, plus enemies. the chance of data loss or corruption is at least 5x higher

Again, and I can't stress this enough, I don't think the error is on your end. I don't think it's on trions end. I think it's on one of the many hops in the middle.

[ironhands]

Love that avatar!

Is that Voldemorts sister? xD

guy, you change your avatar more often than i change my underwear.

[Taaltos]

guy, you change your avatar more often than i change my underwear.

This may be true, but it's always an avatar of me. xD

It generally reflects my mood.

[MacDeath]

This game is international, and I don't know what makes you think I'm from the same country as you are, but I'm probably not in the same one as you.

My definition of playable is 99% working for the majority of the population. Otherwise, what you're actually saying, and stressing, is that it's unplayable for YOU, which is not how you've been presenting it. As I said, I have had no issues at all playing, other than the occasional bit of lag, but have experienced the same issues you're seeing on other games, so I know how frustrating it is. What we do not know, is how many people are experiencing these "unplayable" issues. That, we don't know, but it would stand to reason that it's in the minority.

What I would recommend, is checking the MTU threshold on your router. If you force your router onto the minimum the xbox can use, which is 1365, you might see some improvement. Give that a shot, and see what happens.

WHAT? The Xbox can't go lower than 1365 MTU? No wonder they get hosed. It wouldn't take very many hops between Trion and a player to encounter a black hole router with the MTU set that high.

[ironhands]

WHAT? The Xbox can't go lower than 1365 MTU? No wonder they get hosed. It wouldn't take very many hops between Trion and a play to encounter a black hole router with the MTU set that high.

Everything I've seen says that, and there's an error message that can popup if you get lower, saying it can't connect. That's why I think forcing the network to the minimum, wherever possible, is the best option for now. Trion could do the same on their end, if they haven't, but it still doesn't guarantee it'd make it across a bad hop, and it would also impact performance for people who can handle higher fragmentation.

[MacDeath]

I was disgusted and appaled by this post.

WHEN HAVE FALL OUT BOY EVER HAD CULT STATUS?!!!!!

I didn't say that Fall Our Boys revived THEIR cult status... I said they revived the cult status of the saying, "You can't put Baby in a corner".

[Cynical Jester]

Love that avatar!

Is that Voldemorts sister? xD

How dare you change your avatar before I get to know you!!

Though.. Its made me want to make one... something..... original...

[MacDeath]

For Ramano and others with those issues see my post http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...or-MANY-issues

Now, granted I'm a PC guy and I have no idea if you can even do stuff like this on Xbox...