This is how you can tell Defiance is a bad Game!

[chefwhitey]

Pretty much every mmo forum is a major arkfall of negativity.

Here's an mmo forum in short:
1. Copious ammounts of threads about "There's no progresion in this game, a orange weapon isn't any better than a green!!1!"
2. Trion adds real progression to weapons, orange weapons do more dmg, reloads faster, has higher RoF etc.
3. Copious ammounts of threads about "I'm getting steamrolled by high ego players with orange weapons, this must change now!!1 It's P2W!
4. Repeat until the servers shuts down in a couple of years.

Simple solution, make pvp class setups standardized and keep pve class setup separate! Then there would be no complaints. about getting owned by higher ranked players!

Edit: Orange weapons should be way more powerful than green. If they are not than whats the point of having them besides hey I got an orange weapon!

[MosesOfWar]

They still drop anything up to orange rarity (the highest in the game).Balance changes are a requirement. They are a good thing. Lets be fair, they were stupidly easy to get before... This is annoying, no doubt there. It's usually fixable (at least in a duo one of the two can usually change phase correctly) but obviously shouldn;t happen in the first place. Bigger would be better I guess, but it's not as if you have to be in the group to work together. I agree here too, the chat system needs a complete overhaul, right now it's still using the primitive console UI which I hope will be updated (on the PC at least).
This doesn't even make sense... Yup, but no sub and not a single content patch released yet - if this bothers you then stop playing and check back later. What were you expecting? You just described essentially every mission / quest in every game. "go somewhere, use / kill / collect something, interact with someone, go somewhere else". It would be nice if the side missions had a bit more subtance in the way of cutscenes and voice acting - so they were more like main missions.

They can get orange items, I have a few and all came from tier 3 lockboxes.

As there is in any MMO forum. People whining about everything, people insisting that without a gear grind the game will die, that unless PS3 and 360 can play together the game will die, insisting that everyone who kills them is a hacker (after all, the poster will proudly tell us they they are leet FPS players and can spot them in a moment), etc.
Most of what is said in almost any community forum is not responded to by the devs. It's a community forum, not a support channel. More communication is almost always a plus though.

Oh, I need someone to make all my decisions for me. Those critics share my exact preferences and tastes and are looking for exactly the same things I am. And they are soooo impartial and the scores they give always match how successful a game is!

[/sarcasm]


Depends what people were looking for. Too many people saw "MMO" and thought "Duuuuh.... that must make it a WoW clone! I buy nao!!", only to spend most of their time whining that they can;t get a +15 SMG of furious smiting which 1 hit kills lowbies. Actually look through the complaints sometime and see how many are due to the player having no idea what they were buying, instead just throwing their money at the screen and then insisting that the game was made wrong rather than them impulse buying a game they knew nothing about.



Utterly false, you have spent 90% of the OP telling us how many threads there are complaining, now you claim they all get closed? Why isn't the forum almost entirely closed?

^ Can you please post one of these in every sub-forum? Just kidding. Negativity is present in any game forum. The people that post don't even represent a majority of the players, because they are, in fact simply playing the game. typically, you have 3 types of people on game forums: Complainers, Fanboys and Meta-Game/Strategy Aficionados - most people are a mix of Affcionado and one of the other two.

So, you're going to get a vocal minority of complainers and a vocal minority of fanboys bickering over game mechanics. Most people don't forum post...

[Jestunhi]

Simple solution, make pvp class setups standardized and keep pve class setup separate! Then there would be no complaints. about getting owned by higher ranked players!

No, there would instead be complaints that pvp is as complex as Street Fighter with it's stock characters and generic attacks.

Given the minimal vertical progression there's simply no need for that.

[watk]

The game just came out, I don't think I've ever played a new mmo that was perfect and had no one complaining.

Everyone wants to use the excuse that its an mmo all mmo have trouble in the beginning. If you all remember the original dev comments before on youtube. This is a third person shooter with some mmo tendancies. While you mmo players don't mind waiting months or more for a finished product. Shooter fans decide in first day or two if game is good or not

[chefwhitey]

No, there would instead be complaints that pvp is as complex as Street Fighter with it's stock characters and generic attacks.

Given the minimal vertical progression there's simply no need for that.

isnt that what we have now? Orange weapons have no advantage.

And they could of took a page out of COD's handbook for pvp progression!
Or any top pvp game!

This game wasnt built around pvp. pvp is a side game that doesn't take presence over the pve.

[PseudoCool]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news here..

But almost ALL of the "I hate this game" or "This game is the SUXXOR!" type threads, and most of the anti-like thread posters...

ARE THE SAME PEOPLE!

So you don't like the game.. you don't understand the progression system.. you don't like the side missions.. you don't like the PvP.

Ok.. cool.. we get it. It's been duly noted by MULTIPLE DEV's as things their working on. How about ya'll stop wasting pixels that don't have little name tags like "Raider" or "99er" or "Mutant" over their heads?

[dylan05]

isnt that what we have now? Orange weapons have no advantage.

No advantage?
Already having all mod slots open so you don't need to spend time and resources for it isn't an adventage?

[Raikon]

First place to look is the forums!

The overwhelming amount of bad comments is a huge Sign!

I know there are people out there that do enjoy this game, but there are a lot of people out there that are very upset with this game, and not just server issues.

Almost everything about the game from, lock boxes not dropping anything good, weapon nerfs, car nerfs, removing keycodes from events, (which makes getting those bad lockboxes even harder to get!) Not being able to phase correctly with other group members. Limiting the groups to only 4 players. Chat? what chat?
It is almost ridiculous to be able to use synergy mods!!! Not enough content, and the quality of content was bad for 95% of the side missions in the game! They didn't even feel like missions they felt like tasks or busy work.

Drive to point A, press X, drive to point B, put in mailbox! You really consider this a mission!


Seriously Trion, you really want people to spend real money on lock boxes after they seen what they get from them with getting keycards? Its almost Stealing from your customers; that's how bad the drops are!!!

Just look through the forums there is even more than what I listed here all over this forum!
And there has't been any public response from Trion in this forum! To address the overwhelming concerns that the players are having! These players are the ones that are going to promote this game or not! People like playing with there friends, but if the game sucks they won't recommend it, or stop recommending this game! (As in the case of Defiance)

Most of the critics out there gave this game a bad review! And if you dont think they look at the forums to see what the players of the game are feeling before they write reviews, your out of your mind!


A great game really doesn't have such a mixed opinion about it! Yes, you will always have the haters, but you will the majority praising the game, not the other way around!

I know that this thread will get locked because almost every thread gets locked that talks slightly negetive about this game. I was respectful in this post. I did not swear or belittle the DEV's! I am just a concerned citizen, and I want to be proved wrong about this game and post! I loved this game at first, but now its getting old fast.

Ths is how you know its a Troll.
Because he speaks utter crap.

[Buruko]

First place to look is the forums!

The overwhelming amount of bad comments is a huge Sign!

This is not a sign of the game being bad, this is a sign of whiny people, usually. Some complaints are valid but end up here cause some folks don't know how to use support forms.

Almost everything about the game from, lock boxes not dropping anything good, weapon nerfs, car nerfs, removing keycodes from events, (which makes getting those bad lockboxes even harder to get!)

Lock boxes give percentage chance for items, just like a loot drop would it's just increased. Dunno what kind of return rate your expecting especially since it is very easy to get enough keys for a lock box, even without roadsides granting keys. In WoW a full size Raid takes an hour or two to complete for a CHANCE that a boss drops something you can use/want. In Defiance in about an hour you can generate keys for a chance at a fat piece of loot, you can do this alone or in a group, your choice unlike a raid.

My only complaint about road sides are if they aren't granting key codes and just Exp then after EGO 2600 they will be pointless. Trion will have to decide how to keep them relevant if they don't want them to give key codes.

Car nerfs?

Not being able to phase correctly with other group members.

Limiting the groups to only 4 players.

Seriously once a group gets to a certain number usually over 4 or 5 the dynamic breaks down, not only that there is larger potential for others to 'carry' worthless team mates as they can blend into the numbers. A solid group of 4 is much easier to see when things are working or they are not.

As for phasing I've yet to have much experience with this, so I'll keep you posted.

Chat? what chat?
It is almost ridiculous to be able to use synergy mods!!! Not enough content, and the quality of content was bad for 95% of the side missions in the game! They didn't even feel like missions they felt like tasks or busy work.

Drive to point A, press X, drive to point B, put in mailbox! You really consider this a mission!

Since voice chat has been fixed I have enjoyed talking with folks when I come to a safe point on the map. Even worked a few trades for weapons and such this way. So I don't know what kind of experience your having.

Okay, so you would rather: Go collect X widgets, Go kill Y baddies of the type A, or maybe Go talk to So-an-So for more help.... yeah other MMOs offer so much more dynamic content. :: Seriously? Honestly each side mission is tied to the main part of the story that unlocks them, and other side missions unlock further side missions that pertain to the original like a mini-story. It expands the world and the story, it's the first MMO title I've played where I didn't just ignore the quest text entirely.

Seriously Trion, you really want people to spend real money on lock boxes after they seen what they get from them with getting keycards? Its almost Stealing from your customers; that's how bad the drops are!!!

Those that want to can pay real money, no one is required too nor is it really necessary.

Just look through the forums there is even more than what I listed here all over this forum!
And there has't been any public response from Trion in this forum! To address the overwhelming concerns that the players are having! These players are the ones that are going to promote this game or not!

No dev response? Really?

http://community.defiance.com/en/201...erked-in-hell/

http://community.defiance.com/en/201...e-some-boosts/

http://community.defiance.com/en/201...-address-that/

I could go dig through the Dev tracker forum and show post after post of answers from CMs, Devs, etc. Honestly this is the most involved Game company I've ever seen.

Players are playing, they are reporting, they are working to make the game they love better. And folks are on the forums singing praises and cheering on the game and the Trion team, just a lot more negative people here cause it's a desire to be noted when your cheesed about something.

People like playing with there friends, but if the game sucks they won't recommend it, or stop recommending this game! (As in the case of Defiance)

Most of the critics out there gave this game a bad review! And if you dont think they look at the forums to see what the players of the game are feeling before they write reviews, your out of your mind!

Any Review site/person worth their salt would not use a games primary forums as tool to review the game. A game journalist might note some steamy hot topic but honestly these threads are much like any other MMO site's forums so there isn't much to report other than Trion being so involved.

A great game really doesn't have such a mixed opinion about it! Yes, you will always have the haters, but you will the majority praising the game, not the other way around!

These forums and post like these are pretty typical of an MMO for the first 4 to 6 months of a launch. So the fact that traffic is being generated and there is both good and bad is nothing but a sign of people who are interested.

I know that this thread will get locked because almost every thread gets locked that talks slightly negetive about this game. I was respectful in this post. I did not swear or belittle the DEV's! I am just a concerned citizen, and I want to be proved wrong about this game and post! I loved this game at first, but now its getting old fast.

I don't see 'negative' threads locked until they basically devolve into: a. Shouting Matches, b. Name Calling amongst community members, c. drive off topic into another level of ******y-ness. So until you pop your top I think will stay open for a few pages.

[Oceanhawk]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news here..

But almost ALL of the "I hate this game" or "This game is the SUXXOR!" type threads, and most of the anti-like thread posters...

ARE THE SAME PEOPLE!

So you don't like the game.. you don't understand the progression system.. you don't like the side missions.. you don't like the PvP.

Ok.. cool.. we get it. It's been duly noted by MULTIPLE DEV's as things their working on. How about ya'll stop wasting pixels that don't have little name tags like "Raider" or "99er" or "Mutant" over their heads?

Why don't you stop all the "It's going to get better" crap too, k? If people didn't complain about the issues with this game they wouldn't have even known what to fix. If all they did was listen to people like you blow sunshine and rainbows up their posteriors then we would all be stuck with an inferior game. Hopefully this game does keep getting better because there isn't anything else out there like it. It's got tons of promise and while fun at first it does get repetitive and honestly the big bugs are killing it. Negative game reviews because of the big bugs will kill this game long before it gets it's chance at life, if they fail to get those patches a soon. That isn't hyperbole, that is the truth whether people like you want to believe it or not.