If You Love Us, Please Make Shotguns Go Away

[COLD]

please no shotgun cry cry cryyyyyy babys always complaining go play cod or halo its a coop game not pvp

[Chris EK9]

Whats wrong with Shotguns!? Its the Cloak + Shotgun + only CQC Maps that are the problem. Use the Decoy(?) Perk to show all Cloaked Enemies if its such a problem. Renders Cloak Useless and then you're only facing Shotguns but the Maps still present a problem.

Shotguns are fine!! Its your inability to effectively use the Perks available to counter the Cloak + Shotgun that is the problem. I don't PVP but I know for PVE Shotguns are absolutely fine. I don't actually see that many people using them.

[Swarm]

man up and learn to play, there is nothing wrong with shotguns

exactly. all u need is the dmage reduct perks and to run around with ur head cut off and to get ur own damn shotgun. ull be fine then.

[Jay ski]

I like PVP. I want to like Defiance PVP. But when 90% of every match is Shotguns, something is not balanced.

Please.. find a way to balance shotguns, they are ruining the PV experience.

You want me to call the whaaaaaaambulance to pick you up?

[fang1192]

I'd rather they buff Assault Rifles and Pistols instead.

[Badblade]

*facepalm*

I love that all the noobs are crawling out from under their rocks (or cloaks?) to make 1 line defensive arguments for shotguns without any thought or support. "L2p l2p l2p!" Good one.

Bottom line: 9 out of 10 players are running with a shotty. This strongly suggests there is an imbalance. We don't see any SMGs which are CQC weapons... Maybe the maps are the problem in part... But that's not the whole story.

[Chris EK9]

Saying L2P isn't such a bad argument. There are Perks to make Cloak redundant and various DMG Reduction Perks. People need to build a better Loadout until they release Maps that aren't so small.

But they'll probably release a huge Map to over compensate and then some people will say Snipers are too OP. Lol.

And just an FYI - I don't play PvP. Tried it but didn't like it. I don't use Cloak in PVE either so I'm not defending myself here.

[JMadFour]

The tears will be delicious when the Shotgun is nerfed and all the "L2P" Forum Superstars are making 60 thousand threads whining about it, instead of Learning 2 Play like they are so quick to tell everyone else to do.

for the record, I don't care whether the Shottie is nerfed or not. I just think that when it is, the outrage from the so-called PVP Professionals is going to be of an epic scale.

[Zeal]

Shotguns arent OP though, they're inherently strong at close quarters, and given the size of the tdm maps, not to mention the abilities to close in on your target through blur or even better cloak, makes them considerably more dangerous. Game needs bigger maps for pvp, shadow wars is just as bad since everyone hangs around the flags even if they're defending, doesn't make sense. Maybe tweak Blur/Cloak abit to make them less compatible with shotguns or give them a penalty on tkk, since coming out of cloak, with sucker punch, shadow strike and a shotty is pretty much a straight kill, leaving you little time to react even if you have escape artist and 1700+ shield.

[fang1192]

Shotguns are fine!! Its your inability to effectively use the Perks available to counter the Cloak + Shotgun that is the problem. I don't PVP but I know for PVE Shotguns are absolutely fine. I don't actually see that many people using them.

Saying L2P isn't such a bad argument. There are Perks to make Cloak redundant and various DMG Reduction Perks. People need to build a better Loadout until they release Maps that aren't so small.
But they'll probably release a huge Map to over compensate and then some people will say Snipers are too OP. Lol.
And just an FYI - I don't play PvP. Tried it but didn't like it. I don't use Cloak in PVE either so I'm not defending myself here.

Wow, way to flaunt your ignorance.

First of all, Snipers take skill to hit someone and kill them. Hell, it takes skill to kill with an AR or LMG with overcharge active, people just walk around corners to avoid you.

The current Meta is cloak, lolshotgun bunny-hop. There is one perk, that you need to use one specific power to counter cloak. To bad Cloak has a faster cooldown than decoy, you have to know where the cloakers are, you have to know if theyre cloaked, oh and decoy has a weird cooldown mechanic.

The Devs want a skill based game, but the dominating meta is a skill-less set up that barely requires aiming or risk.

I dont think shotguns need a nerf. They're just to easy to use and to rewarding at the same time. You pull the trigger, what 3 times max to kill someone? barely have to aim. Cloak nullifies any risk of getting in close, and bunny hopping throws off anyone not using AoE, shotguns, or homing (lol good luck finding that person) while at the same time doing nothing disadvantageous to the one hopping around.

So what i believe is that ARs, Pistols, SMGs, Sniper Rifles, and LMGs get some buffs.