If You Love Us, Please Make Shotguns Go Away

[Skydon]

My complaint isn't that shotguns are overpowered its the Cloak that makes it harder. Another thing is you can't avoid CQB, Snipers both Bolt and Semi are awfully weak. Semi Snipers take 5-6 bullets and Bolt Snipers take 3, its hard to get a kill iunless you hit the head which is a problem when the enemies are on pogo sticks and space hoppers. Then when you do land a hit they turn invisible and you think you see a faint outline the they just vanish. Also there are no spots to snipe from on waterfront you have those towers but the enemy spawns under you and just climbs up while invisible. The only shotgun I have a problem with is the sawn-off shotguns which shoot 1 bullet with 1900 damage and fire both barrel in 1 go, its instant kill.

We need a grenade which is like a motion sensor but to counter the abuse make it so they cant be throw just put down.

Also Snipers are weak in PvE as well, they take to many bullets to kill an enemy and you cant carry enough ammo to take out a Raider camp like an LMG or Shotgun can.

[Dist0rt3d Hum0r]

Since launch I've been playing with a cloak/shotty combination. It wasn't until yesterday night though that I decided to break that habit. I played a Shadow Wars capture and hold match in San Fran because the rest of my group wanted to. I, however, was still trying to get my 5k LMG kills and did not want to at first. Eventually I gave in and we played.

First I tried to lock down B by sniping. Long story short, I was a very frusterated person after one headshot and an empty clip later. Decided to go back to my FRC Saw with Fire, scope, catalyst injector, and recoil/bloom reduction, and level 3 barrel mod. Automatic sniper right there. Paired this with Decoy and laughed my *** off as I watched shotgun cloakers try to take out my decoy. 22/3 game right there.

TL;DR: Shotguns are not the problem, its the lack of playstyles that is. Its like Gears of Gnasher.

[Bluegobln]

I did not read.

However, I already know what the OP is saying.

I do not want shotguns to go away. I want the community to choose to use other weapons if they want to. I want shotguns to be awesome for anyone who wants to use them. If you ONLY use shotguns your entire PVP career, fine, have fun. I don't plan to and I don't mind it one bit.

You can't make this game better by REMOVING one thing some people don't like. Once they rid the game of those, what else will those people complain about? What other weapon will be considered unfair or too powerful? Just keep nerfing things, right?

Learn to play. Quit *****ing. If you don't like it, don't support it or use it, but don't try to force others not to use it.

[kobi]

Do what I do, have a good infector weapon and start spraying them S.O.B. shotgun players from maximum range as they can do Jack **** to you. For this clocked well..... look at their gourd and throw a grande and hope it explode on them.

[XFistsClenchedX]

Shotguns are overpowered. So is cloak. I have a way to counter shotgun users somewhat, but I am forced to use a sawed-off shotgun as a primary. At least the sawed-off shotgun requires a little skill.

[Badblade]

Shotguns are fine, terribad players whining are the problem. And I don't PVP.

Shotguns are subpar in my opinion against anything not an elite in PVE, unless its a sawed off and then its 2-3 shots most times unless you managed to facial a crit spot (will nail most easy guys with one, but occasionaly leave them with a smidge of hitpoints left). Pump guns annoy the crap out of me if they have large magazines, unless you got reload perks my god LMGs load faster then 15-20 sized magazines at one shell at a time. Combats are meh, usually 90 damage x 8 and a fan spread....which is piss poor accuracy cause a circle puts more in the chest then 8 shells shooting out at odd angles (unless really close) hitting 3 guys. Stick with an assault rifle, even the 222 Special (damage wise) kills things faster cause its easier to put more in the head at range.

And you want to nerf shotguns for PVP? Internet PVP games comes down to Most Hitpoints To Survive a Hit(tm) and Biggest Gun To Take Down The Other Guy's Hitpoints(tm)...this is for any game BTW. Guess what, thats why they use a shotty. Cause it works. Whine all you want, but its like asking a hunter to take out an elk with a marshmallow...it doesn't work out as well as the rifle, cause the right tool for the job brings the right results (aka, break the other guys hitpoints with the biggest gun).

As for cloaks, I participate in shadow wars so much as a dude running around shooting is gun in the air (cause I don't care!) and I see cloaks all the time. Even follow them. All I do is distract the crap out of them cause I am not actually in the shadow war and these dudes are so tunnel focused trying to kill everything in site they end up getting themselves killed by someone else. LOL at every stupid moron on this planet taking shots at the one dude in green (which isn't the tan of PVP gear) everytime a gun goes off behind them, trying to melee the dude looking in his inventory.

Its the whiney hineys like the OP that got defeated by what they call "no skilled" that are the biggiest problem, its learning to adapt the best weapon or tool for the job that brings the most results (AR don't work, try a shotty yourself). Learn to Play (or Adapt), its why everyone is rocking cloaks and shotties (cause they learned and adapted that the particular pair of tools brings the most results). Join them with shotties and cloaks or just don't play PVP, cause the Next Big Thing(tm) that everyone is rocking will bring more butthurt whines to forums after shotguns are nerfed. Its a repeated cycle, A beats B then A is nerfed so B is superior to C and now B gets nerf. Nothing is fair in life, if everything was "balanced" then nobody would be able to kill anyone in a video game (cause one thing will always dominate, otherwise everyone is shooting marshmallow and not scoring effective hits to actually win).

If you played PVP you would see that 90% of Players are running shotguns and usually cloak. If you weren't trolling the thread, youd understand that this is generally not good. If you played PVP you would probably be better equipped to contribute to the conversation.

"Whiney hiney"? Really?

[Schnibbly]

Since launch I've been playing with a cloak/shotty combination. It wasn't until yesterday night though that I decided to break that habit. I played a Shadow Wars capture and hold match in San Fran because the rest of my group wanted to. I, however, was still trying to get my 5k LMG kills and did not want to at first. Eventually I gave in and we played.

First I tried to lock down B by sniping. Long story short, I was a very frusterated person after one headshot and an empty clip later. Decided to go back to my FRC Saw with Fire, scope, catalyst injector, and recoil/bloom reduction, and level 3 barrel mod. Automatic sniper right there. Paired this with Decoy and laughed my *** off as I watched shotgun cloakers try to take out my decoy. 22/3 game right there.

TL;DR: Shotguns are not the problem, its the lack of playstyles that is. Its like Gears of Gnasher.

You must have been against scrubs, decoy will break in 1-3 shotty hits from close range (If they are using cloak+shotty then they are close range) Also decoy BARELY runs out so if they did break your decoy, they woulda realised it was a decoy as you shot them, then they woulda rushed n killed you

[KashraFall]

Did a shadow war yesterday. Got top spot on my team with 17/4. Enemy team was 35/7 and he had a shotgun in 1 hand and a sawed off in the other and was cloaking. It isn't so much about skill or "Learning" the game as you guys are trying to explain to people. Fact is, Cloaking seems broken and is a easy source of PvP advancing. People will exploit it. So the theory of "Shotguns are good in pvp close range maps" Is completely falsified now. It is just a broken mechanic and you will see it in 90% of the players who pvp.

[Schnibbly]

Why do people blame CLOAK, like this KashraFall joke, Cloak is not broken, Shotguns are, A person getting 35/7 with shotguns and cloak would not get that score using an LMG with cloak, you guys are just... dumb

[Skydon]

Why do people say guns you dont aim with and just shoot as soon as your aimer goes red require skill? All it requires is a good connection, some eyes, hands and fingers and your sorted. Sniping on this game takes skill, If you manage to just use snipers all game and come out with a plus your a magician and I will put you in my signature (with evidence of course). Even using a Shotgun which in the description say HIGH RECOIL take some skill to negate the upwards jerking.