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    Defiance's payment model is killing this game

    I bought this game and I love it, but I cannot convince any of my friends to give it a go. The up-front box price ($60 if you don't shop around!) is a major stumbling block. My friends have been conditioned to believe that gaming should be free or a game should cost at most a couple of dollars.

    In this day and age, with the rise of F2P games, beta invites, youtube and Steam sales, this is the accepted norm. My friends can play SWTOR, a $200 million budget MMO with world-class voice acting and far more raids, dungeons and pvp content than this game, and other MMOs like DCUO, LOTRO, War Thunder and World of Tanks for free, and have all signed up for the beta test of TESO to "locust swarm" it and beat it during the invite period. For non-MMOs such as Bioshock Infinite, Skyrim, GTA4 and Max Payne 3 my friends can download the full campaigns of each for free off the internet. Just like youtube, which lets you watch videos for free (with the video creators being paid through advertising), there are these so-called "torrent" sites that game companies use to put up singleplayer-only versions of their games, which they gain revenue off from advertising on the torrent site and by enticing people to purchase the multiplayer-enabled version for real money. This strategy has been a major success, with companies like Rockstar Games going from strength to strength off torrenting and the successor to GTA4 (GTA5) coming soon.

    When people can play and own award-winning universally 9/10+ reviewed third-person shooters like Max Payne 3 and Mass Effect 3 for free, how can Trion therefore expect people to pay $60 for a middling third-person shooter that has been panned by critics with 5/10 reviews across the board? I have been ridiculed by my friends for paying top dollar for this game. $60 is not chump change. It's enough for a night at the movies and a restaurant dinner with a significant other, or a night out clubbing, both culminating in a shag. In my friends' opinions, no game is worth more than a shag. I have been called a sucker and a crackwhore for being so addicted to games that I've put down real money to buy Defiance. I've been called a loveless loser who would forego a chance to meet his potential wife for life while out clubbing, because I chose to waste that money on a stupid game.

    I have accepted becoming the butt of jokes in my social circle and a pariah because I believe in this game. I will continue to push this game on the people I encounter, even if that means getting laughed in the face for being a paying sucker. But I am only me. I don't believe my $60 can pay for the whole development staff at Trion, even if I spend additional money on the season pass. Trion need to move away from their outdated payment model, of expecting people to PAY for Defiance, if they want to survive and grow as a company. I know Trion have traditionally been sticklers in this regard. With Rift they have stolidly stuck by their P2P sub-based payment model. Look where that's got them. The last I heard, Rift was dead with almost all its servers closed. If this game is going to have any playerbase it needs to be F2P.

    It is quite ridiculous. Defiance was marketed as a transmedia event. I can watch the Defiance show for free off SyFy or Amazon Prime's streaming services. Yet people have to pay $60 to get a copy of the game in order to follow the rest of the story. Just like the TV show, the game needs to also be free or people will just watch the show and the game will be left to wither away.

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    this game is buy to play swtor was buy then pay to play for sometime and DCUO, LOTRO were buy I think buy then pay to play for sometime give this game time watch for sells and tell your friends 2 stop being so cheap :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharnamatic View Post
    .... these so-called "torrent" sites that game companies use to put up singleplayer-only versions of their games, which they gain revenue off from advertising ...
    Ohh, pls tell me more about this new business model, lol

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    Is..... is this a joke?

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    Should have used Path of Exiles payment model. Free game, shop for cosmetic items only.

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    I'm going to make the very difficult attempt to take this post seriously.

    Firstly... SWTOR, DCUO and LOTRO, all hit the market at roughly the same price point as Defiance, around 50$ US, but also with a monthly subscription fee of 15$. I know this because I played all of them at launch. They only became free to play models after either flopping commercially in the case of DCUO and SWTOR, or after a long, long run like LOTRO.

    Secondly... all those other games you list your friends get 'for free' off the internet, is because they are stealing them via Torrents. Which are not released by companies. If someone told you that, then I am sorry .. they lied to you. Now some of those games can be played through subscription services.. but then you are paying a monthly fee to do so. Gamefly being one such example.

    As for War Thunder and World of Tanks... both are decent simulator style games, and yes free to play.. as long as you like limited content options, but like most F2P games they sell premiums.

    Defiance's contemporary in the price market might be better equated to Guild Wars/Guild Wars 2. Buy the game for retail and play for free forever, with no subscription plan, and an optional micro transaction item mall. It worked extremely well for Guild Wars and a few other games, and I don't believe in any way is it hurting Defiance. I actually think its the future path most MMOs will be taking.

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    OMG ... yeah I'm sure Tod Howard gets a "advertising" revenue from "these so called" sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darstrom View Post
    Is..... is this a joke?
    I think so. Either that or just someone who feels that because their friends arent willing to pay the same price as they would for any new game, including games that take about 4 hours to play through and have no multiplayer component or replayibility, Trion should just give it away for free.

    I mean come on. All these other companies are just giving away their brand new games for free! Those billions of dollars in revenue from game sales every year are a lie. Its not from sales. Its from magical money fairies that deposit $60 every few seconds into their accounts just because they love them.

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    (This is my opinion not fact)

    This game is just doing what all the other recent releases are doing. They charge a lot at first to get the eager people to pay and in 3-6 months it will just be a free download and they will make their money off the DLC.

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