F2P or SUB poll speak your mind

[Thayl Ruttgar]

Hi Plzbanme,

If you whant just play F2P games you should go to the EST, go live in China or Korea. If you dont whant to pay for stuff, mabe you should go to... nowhere. No one will give you nothing for free, the free in F2P its just an ilusion, where if you dont spend money you are not at the same lvl as the ones that do spend it.
In life to survive you need a job to make money to pay the rent and to buy food. So Devs and companies have the right to charge you for there jobe.

I have to say I disagree. I play DDO and if I really wanted to not pay for anything I do not have to most of the game I have Bought because I do love playing the game. but I have also made a lot of store points by just playing the game what like I said is what I love to do, play the game. so F2P can be free if someone is willing to do the grind what is very possible. depending on what type of F2P system is in use but I think this is just the NEW and people have to get used to it.

Change is part of Life

[Fikticio]

Man, I feel sorry for you. You have play such bad free to play game you can't stand the sight of them. And I know free to play isn't free, they charge in time and effort, something today's games don't have and really need. Also after TF2 went free to play, it saw a 12X income increase.

I have played some good F2P games, but after a while i got tired of the giga grind (alods)(requiem), there ar good free to play game, but you have to admit the store calls for you to spend money if you whant to see the end game (see it soon), a good exemple of a game that is now free to play and as one of the most giga grinds ever is Aion, and i played the game on day first and payed for 6 months (subed), i was blinded by the new. Most free to play are to estern.
And TF2 whent free to play as an ilusion, they whented to try somthing, it was a experiment, but to see it you need to benot blinded by the fact its free and see what apening in the game industry.

[Fikticio]

I have to say I disagree. I play DDO and if I really wanted to not pay for anything I do not have to most of the game I have Bought because I do love playing the game. but I have also made a lot of store points by just playing the game what like I said is what I love to do, play the game. so F2P can be free if someone is willing to do the grind what is very possible. depending on what type of F2P system is in use but I think this is just the NEW and people have to get used to it.

Change is part of Life

First, free to play is here since 1996, its not new, whats new is the way they now use it to make tons of money.

Second, DDO whent free to play whith a ton of restiction, if you whant to play all the game buy the dlc and play all classes and all races (play all the game) you have to spend money.

[Genobee]

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[Thayl Ruttgar]

Again I said you can do it without ever opening your wallet but it does take time but you pay with your time instead of money you should look closer to how things really are there I have spent less than $200.00 and been playing for two years that would be more than $200.00 as a sub and i do not lose my stuff if I don't pay. open your eyes and really if you think about time 1996 is not forever ago and the way F2P is now used is the way things are going since it has been around since then I do not think it is going anywhere.

[Fikticio]

Man, if you whant somone to get addicted to somthing, just give them a litle and they will ask you for more and more... Yes in all (or most) F2P games you can work you way just by playing in time, but in the end if you whant to kep up with the rest what can you do. And a year pass sub in some game cost 100$, DCUO when it cam out was selling life time subs for 200$ (or less dont remember).
The point on spending money in a game, if the game is good and the store is good every player will a some point spend money in it. And in the end the point of a F2P is to get the whales.

[Plzbanme]

They need to make money some where, that is why things are the way they are in a lot of free to play games. If you could do everything fast why would you ever spend money or even play for that matter. Tell what you think would be good for a free to play game. Beside you are getting the game free, it is kinda a **** move to ***** about how long it takes to do anything.

[deusex2]

Wow, so you weren't having fun and keep playing? I don't know why you would. It is balance and stock is just as good as top level stuff. I use stock armor for the most part all but my helmet which has a special skin got it free. The game has gone through changes since launch.

Oh, it was fun at first and yeah-the basic gear was enough for any pug stomps. However that gear was only good enough for pug stomps and nothing more. Any 1lvl idiot coughing out 25$ up front would dominate any match, why? Because he'd buy his access to the highest lvl gear. And have you ever ran into premades or clans wearing fully customized gear? You literally had no chance against any of them, even if you'd get a drop on one guy.

To stand a chance against those guys you had to re-customize your gear and your gear selection was limited to your level unless you'd buy your way out of leveling curve. And even when you'd be lvl high enough, you'd still have to earn enough money to rent the gear itself. You'd literally be forced to grind for several days in order to rent all the gear for one lousy day.

So I gave the game a break and by the time I've returned I saw stupid robots dominating in every match, that was when I've said enough and uninstalled the damn game.

Don't get me wrong, I liked the idea and the customization in the game, those were major sale points for me and they were awesome. Unfortunately, Perfect World made sure to restrict it as much as possible for free players and they made sure that the only way to truly enjoy the system was to pay cash, lots of it...Or to grind stupid exp for eternity.
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Right now I'm playing Hawken, it's a f2p game, where free players aren't meat for slaughter, where you can literally play without paying a single dollar and still be on par with others. You have the same selection as every other player in-game. You can buy just about everything performance related with in-game currency, except for cosmetics and xp/in-game currency boosters. And with real cash you can buy pretty much everything, except you can't buy your way out of leveling, unlike Blacklight.

Not to mention the fact that in Hawken skill beats everything. You can be lvl1 newbie and you can devastate lvl25 pilot(max lvl), so long as you're skillful enough. That was how Blacklight should be, but they went and allowed any scrub to buy his way to glory.
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As for DDO, I actually like their system. The game itself ended up being turned into WoW with d20 dices, but the system they came up with to save the game was pretty good. I mean you can grind enough stuff while playing for free to afford to buy DLCs and stuff from item-shop, which is nice. I also like how you can buy piece by piece stuff. For example if you don't like the whole DLC, but you only like the new class or race, you can unlock only those.

And this is something that lots of other companies overlooked, SOE for example, with DCUO.

Speaking of DCUO, I've actually bout life-sub for that. I payed 60$ for the game itself and then 200$ more for the life sub, because I played it during beta and it was awesome. The problem started right after the release, though. Not only it took the devs forever to fix the exploits that were reported at the beginning of closed beta, but it also took them forever to balance things out. On top of that, they'd overnerf certain things, making some classes completely useless, while overbuffing others, making them borderline OP.

But sure, that was first year and all, except that they kept at it all the damn time(even now). But what caused the game to fail and force it into f2p, was DLC! They've made the first DLC and they were going to charge ten more bucks for it, on top of subscription! They also did it few months before SWTOR came out(real smooth guys). So the majority of player base said F to that and abandoned the game until SOE was forced to turn DCUO into f2p with optional subscription and limitations for f2p players.

Now I'm not playing the game at all, because of the changed combat system. At some point SOE just tired of trying to fix their own incompetence and said that it wasn't a bug, but a feature and it was working as intended. Later on, they've also changed few more things that made me completely give up on the game.

So yeah, let's keep DCUO out this discussion, a failure is a failure.

[deusex2]

edit1: Also I feel the same way as Genobee about GW2, except that in GW2 leveling up isn't all that bad. What really gets to me is that in GW2 money makes more money and you HAVE to buy gems in order to generate money. You, also, have to buy stuff from the cash store if you want to be successful during holiday events. Why do you have to be successful during holiday events? TO EARN EVEN MORE MONEY! And not to suck, because when it comes down to events-GW2 becomes pay2win, which I find to be insulting to me, as a GW1 player.

edit2:WOW! I can't edit my posts five minutes after posting them?! That's messed up forum policy.

edit3:also, wow wall of text lol

[Plzbanme]

Oh, it was fun at first and yeah-the basic gear was enough for any pug stomps. However that gear was only good enough for pug stomps and nothing more. Any 1lvl idiot coughing out 25$ up front would dominate any match, why? Because he'd buy his access to the highest lvl gear. And have you ever ran into premades or clans wearing fully customized gear? You literally had no chance against any of them, even if you'd get a drop on one guy.

To stand a chance against those guys you had to re-customize your gear and your gear selection was limited to your level unless you'd buy your way out of leveling curve. And even when you'd be lvl high enough, you'd still have to earn enough money to rent the gear itself. You'd literally be forced to grind for several days in order to rent all the gear for one lousy day.

So I gave the game a break and by the time I've returned I saw stupid robots dominating in every match, that was when I've said enough and uninstalled the damn game.

Don't get me wrong, I liked the idea and the customization in the game, those were major sale points for me and they were awesome. Unfortunately, Perfect World made sure to restrict it as much as possible for free players and they made sure that the only way to truly enjoy the system was to pay cash, lots of it...Or to grind stupid exp for eternity.
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All the gear is balanced with low level and high level. You think players will a lot of gear shell out money but the people that have this gear have been playing for a while and are high skill. And 25 dollars will get you half a set of armor or a low level gun. Their prices for that kind of stuff are high. If you went up against me you would get your *** handed to you on a silver platter, server 3 different ways to Sunday. It is not the gear, it is the in the player. The only reason there are rank is to keep you play and give the reward of leveling up.