F2P or SUB poll speak your mind

[deusex2]

All the gear is balanced with low level and high level. You think players will a lot of gear shell out money but the people that have this gear have been playing for a while and are high skill. And 25 dollars will get you half a set of armor or a low level gun. Their prices for that kind of stuff are high. If you went up against me you would get your *** handed to you on a silver platter, server 3 different ways to Sunday. It is not the gear, it is the in the player. The only reason there are rank is to keep you play and give the reward of leveling up.

No, the rank is there to restrict free players and to force them into paying insane amounts of cash to unlock better gear earlier, get real. The gear might seem balanced when you compare it one by one, indeed most of those are sidegrades, however when you consider the fact that every gun and armor consists of many parts in that game, and that each and every part has their own stats, you end up constructing guns with some insane firepower and RoF.

Not to mention the fact that last time I checked, the damn robot was beefy as hell, there was no chance against him in 1v1.

And like I've said before-starter gear is only good for pub-stomping, which I hope you're still enjoying. However if you'd run into a player with equal skill, but better, fully customized gear, you'd get decimated, plain and simple. You may say whatever you like, but when skill is matched, the difference in gear decides the outcome(and sometimes luck).

[lycrates]

I posted this on another thread, but I think it fits perfectly here as well:


I have NEVER seen a non-sub game to be worthwhile in the long run. The reason B2P and F2P games sound too good to be true is because they ARE!!

The ultimate difference is that MMOs require a lot of constant new content updates in order to stay interesting not become stale and boring. I have never seen a company to be able to provide lots of new frequent content updates without a subscription model.

Even if you look at GW2, - a buy to play game, most people have stopped playing because there is not much to do at the end. And even then, GW2 is not a good game for comparison because it is mostly focused around PvP, while Defiance will have its focus towards cooperative PvE (from what I understand).

Games with a focus on PvE NEED frequent content updates. Yes, playing a game regularly and not having to pay for frequent content sounds awesome. Too bad no company has managed to pull it off yet (developers dont work for free you know).

Even games that have a dual model (either pay optional subscription or pay for DLCs individually) dont have good content updates. For example, The Secret World follows that model and its montly content updates are tiny, at best.

World of Warcraft on the other hand, is releasing a TON of content constantly. I dont even have time to go through everything and they are preparing to release yet another Raid with a ton of bosses. Not to mention many new zones, quests, etc. I dont particulatly like WoW, but with all the B2P and F2P mmo crap that is out there, i dont have many options.

[Plzbanme]

No, the rank is there to restrict free players and to force them into paying insane amounts of cash to unlock better gear earlier, get real. The gear might seem balanced when you compare it one by one, indeed most of those are sidegrades, however when you consider the fact that every gun and armor consists of many parts in that game, and that each and every part has their own stats, you end up constructing guns with some insane firepower and RoF.

Not to mention the fact that last time I checked, the damn robot was beefy as hell, there was no chance against him in 1v1.

And like I've said before-starter gear is only good for pub-stomping, which I hope you're still enjoying. However if you'd run into a player with equal skill, but better, fully customized gear, you'd get decimated, plain and simple. You may say whatever you like, but when skill is matched, the difference in gear decides the outcome(and sometimes luck).

The game is free, it isn't going to be like a normal game for mp. The point of a free to play game is to like you try it before letting for put money into, if you want to play free, you can. But they need to make money some where, and for blacklight it is pretty damn fair. Let's say you play 2 hours a day for a week. You earn 125 per round on average, and game last about 10 minutes, and you can get 5 games an hour in. You earn 1250 per day which means you can rent 10 parts for a day or save for later. If you wait to the end of the week, you have 8750, which is enough to prem buy 2-3 parts or rent 5-7 parts for a week. Grants you now have a kickass custom gun. Or you can prem-buy a high grade premade which is made out of top rank parts and there you are on level with the top rank people in terms of gear. The problem here isn't the game, it is you. You have no idea what it takes to make a game, and keep updates going. They make you pay in time and you want to get everything right a way, which is how it works in B2P game. They have to be give somewhere and you just don't want any. And that robot guy, is weak as crap at med to long range, each hero has a best uses distance if you want to fight him in it, go right a head.

[deusex2]

Except that every damn lvl1 can unlock everything so long as he pays real cash, which is pretty much p2w. As for robot, he has(or had) highest available armor in-game which wasn't attainable with regular gear, available for everyone. And on top of that, thanks to the legal-wallhack, every player can see each other, so every player decides the conditions of engagement.

On top of that-congrats! you've worked for a week and got yourself a gun, for a week. Now keep working in order to gain enough money to maintain the gun, oh and you can forget about renting any other gear. Now if you want to permanently buy a gun-no problem, but you just have to be max level in order to gain access to all the required parts...And in the meanwhile you have to keep renting premade guns, hoping to somehow save some for that perma-gun.

And then there's gear and all other equipment aside from guns and you have to rent those too, while leveling up and struggling against cash sink, that is rented guns.

Get it now? What you're saying is good and makes sense in theory, in reality you have overcome tons cash sinks or come in terms with the fact that you have to use inferior gear all the way until you level up enough to be able to actually buy the damn parts. Which will take an unreasonable amount of your time. or you can simply pay real money and get it right off the bat.

So yeah, it's a pay2win where you either slave away for your gear or you simply buy it with real money.

I'm willing to give you that Blacklight p2w is the least insulting one from all other p2w rental systems out there, but no matter how you spin it and no matter how much you talk about skill-fact remains it's a p2w game.

And don't give me that "well they have to earn money somehow" crap! There are tons of other ways to do it, without turning the game into p2w. Heck they could've made fortune in cosmetics alone in that game! But no-they have to treat free players as slaves.

[Plzbanme]

Except that every damn lvl1 can unlock everything so long as he pays real cash, which is pretty much p2w. As for robot, he has(or had) highest available armor in-game which wasn't attainable with regular gear, available for everyone. And on top of that, thanks to the legal-wallhack, every player can see each other, so every player decides the conditions of engagement.

On top of that-congrats! you've worked for a week and got yourself a gun, for a week. Now keep working in order to gain enough money to maintain the gun, oh and you can forget about renting any other gear. Now if you want to permanently buy a gun-no problem, but you just have to be max level in order to gain access to all the required parts...And in the meanwhile you have to keep renting premade guns, hoping to somehow save some for that perma-gun.

And then there's gear and all other equipment aside from guns and you have to rent those too, while leveling up and struggling against cash sink, that is rented guns.

Get it now? What you're saying is good and makes sense in theory, in reality you have overcome tons cash sinks or come in terms with the fact that you have to use inferior gear all the way until you level up enough to be able to actually buy the damn parts. Which will take an unreasonable amount of your time. or you can simply pay real money and get it right off the bat.

So yeah, it's a pay2win where you either slave away for your gear or you simply buy it with real money.

I'm willing to give you that Blacklight p2w is the least insulting one from all other p2w rental systems out there, but no matter how you spin it and no matter how much you talk about skill-fact remains it's a p2w game.

And don't give me that "well they have to earn money somehow" crap! There are tons of other ways to do it, without turning the game into p2w. Heck they could've made fortune in cosmetics alone in that game! But no-they have to treat free players as slaves.

That armor only applies to the head, if you don't know. You can keep saying it is pay to win but my math say it ain't. I have also done test with friends with balance and it came out that the balance was in fact better than the new CODs. You have no idea how effective or for that matter ineffective cosmetics are at getting money. Less than 1 percent(.06%) of players would buy anything from the store because it isn't helpful in any space or form. They have to make money, cosmetics have never worked for any game, but tf2 and it only works there because you can get money out of the game. Now you can keep saying it is pay to win or you can put some effort in to your gaming or drop some cash.
Now I can see that you just want to fight it out now. So /ignore

[deusex2]

That armor only applies to the head, if you don't know. You can keep saying it is pay to win but my math say it ain't. I have also done test with friends with balance and it came out that the balance was in fact better than the new CODs. You have no idea how effective or for that matter ineffective cosmetics are at getting money. Less than 1 percent(.06%) of players would buy anything from the store because it isn't helpful in any space or form. They have to make money, cosmetics have never worked for any game, but tf2 and it only works there because you can get money out of the game. Now you can keep saying it is pay to win or you can put some effort in to your gaming or drop some cash.
Now I can see that you just want to fight it out now. So /ignore

Oh is that so? I wonder if guys at Riot Games know about it? Damn they better change their f2p model ASAP if they don't want to bankrupt...

Other then that, I'm glad you're ignoring me, because arguing with fanboy like you is pretty pointless, so keep having fun with p2w game.

[Plzbanme]

Oh is that so? I wonder if guys at Riot Games know about it? Damn they better change their f2p model ASAP if they don't want to bankrupt...

Other then that, I'm glad you're ignoring me, because arguing with fanboy like you is pretty pointless, so keep having fun with p2w game.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wik...f_Legends_Wiki

[deusex2]

Except LoL character skins generate a friggin fortune as well. Now please go back to ignoring me.

[Night Hawke]

i'd prefer a sub, for me imo i like that i set it up and can walk away i don't feel like i'm being nickel and dimed by the game i'm trying to play/support. i also don't like the in your face nature of F2P or B2P+CS. Sub mmo's seem much less about the various ways to get money meanwhile the other 2 models are constantly in your face about buy this or buy that.

With every F2P/B2P game i have played in the mmo space (STO, SWTOR, GW2, etc) all you see is cash shop stuff, those with lockboxes are especially bad at this. They keep it in your face with your loot that you should give them money to access your chance at something. Some games are worse than others, STO is worse than GW2 in the lock boxes category but SWTOR easily wins at making you feel like you are second class if you don't sub (so whats the point other than to get money out of subs too).

Overall i like the simplicity of subs. i like how everyone that subs is an equal member of the community. Every update is about the game and adding content and features to it. not flavor of the month cash grab thing. I pay them once a month and everyone can get back to making the game better and we can focus on the game not how the company is going to get its next paycheck.

I play on PC i can't speak to the experiences of console players.

[Thayl Ruttgar]

SO just have the game F2P with the ability to SUB. like I said before I play DDO and have always been a prem player i own almost all of the game and earn store points while playing, I have spent like $200.00 +or- and if I would have sub'd I would have paid more and would not own it it would go away when I stop paying but this way I can put money in when I am able to being the only working person in a family of four this model works well for someone like me. Now I do think someone that SUB's should have a bit of an advantage so I am not taking away from it, just don't take away from others this is why I feel that everyone is going F2P in some way so as to not take away from their player base. change is always going to happen.