The Saddest Thing About This Game ??

[Jeff Kaos]

Their you go again comparing another product to a GAME.... Cars are really exspensive for one... So should game developers mark up the price tag to something more comparable to the car... cause then we wouldn't need to have this discussion at all...


If that's all you think they did.. just wow... You act like they didn't actually have to code the game.. You also seem to be confused on how stores work at all...


Yes, they do order the games and put them on their shelves to sell them... Guess what happens to the ones that don't sell? Just like the doritos at your local gas station they get sent back to the vendor...


You seem to think that game stop is entitled to sell the same game over and over to different people making a very large margin of money leaving the actual GAME STUDIOS WHO MADE YOUR ****ING GAME out of the picture...

Yes.. people really are ignorant

Game Stop is just a middle man so even without them, if I sold you my copy of Defiance should I send a little of that money back to Trion? When you buy a game what exactly are you paying for? Do you actually own the copy of the game you bought or are you just renting the rights to play it? And all the people who coded the game and put all their time, efforts and talents into making the game got paid the second they sold that copy. Why exactly should they get paid a second time for selling the same copy? Because it was hard work? Because it took them months to do it? I mean please explain how exactly they're getting hurt here by not making money for selling the same copy of a game over and over? And I don't think you understand how stores work: building a location, paying for rent and bills, hiring and maintaining a staff to run the store; that's all work. Selling a single copy of a game and then just keep making money from continually selling that copy is not work, like I said they already got paid and should not keep getting paid for doing nothing beyond the initial work. And again for the cheap seats: work they've already been paid to do.

[Spinesnap]

As I hate EA with a passion, and I refuse to pirate games, I'll buy EA games second hand. Hence EA never sees my money, and they take a shot to the purse strings.
Many of us can't afford 60 dollars games all the time. Hence buying used games is very attractive to us.
And like I said, anything that hurts EA is a good thing.

Why is EA such a bad company? I have played many EA games, some good, and some bad. You can say that for all game companys tho. It sure isn't there DRM. They have origin, basically the same as steam. I would much rather this than, some DRM like Secrurom or Ubisoft's. Origin is the equivalent as steam. So overall, not really a bad company in my eyes.

[Sanguinesun]

The saddest thing about this game is that it cost £40 2 weeks ago and now the game shop will only give you £15 for it, there are 12 second hand copies for purchase in my local game shop if anyone is interested, that's quite a lot of people giving up already. I was gonna trade it in but can't bear to lose £25 for nothing, the game is unplayable in its current form on my xbox 360 but I will hold onto it and hope that future patches sort the mess out, not because I think the game will be worth the wait, simply because I can not justify throwing £25 away for nothing!! I'm hoping to get some money's worth out of this product in the future when Trion get it patched and working but I reckon most people will have given up on it by then so by the time I get to play there will be no one left in the game to play with . I was so looking forward to this game

You're most likely young or not versed with the resale industry in general. Used items stores, college text book stores etc all purposely lowball people who want to sell them to said stores. Why? they want to make money to cover expenses and earn a profit.

The game's used price does not necessarily reflect deeply the success of failure of the game. Back in my university years I worked for a Follet chain bookstore. They trained the buyback folks with all sorts of things to overcome the objections over the buyback price of stuff that amounted to little more than lying to the customer. They'd say "oh well this text book isnt being used but the professor next semester" for example. True but A. They would ship off the text to another Follet store that had a school that would and B. That they also would hold onto the book until 2 semesters later when the professor -did- use the book(because he only taught it every other semester).

Those same techniques are employed by game selling stores, etc.

So understand that using the game resale price as a metric for the success or failure of the game due to issues in the game is not necessarily going to be an accurate metric. Judge the game on your own for your own considerations, though as subjective as that may be.

[Shismar]

I won't claim to know how this works with consoles, but I am quite certain a used copy of the PC Defiance game is worthless without the associated account. The codes can only be used once and not be removed from the account except by Trion customer service.

Economically, reselling items is a good thing. Publishers will actually sell more copies when resale is possible because the perceived price is lowered by the resale value. In addition it is free advertisement so maybe customers of a new game will buy the sequel if they liked it. In addition, resellers have some business too that pays salaries and taxes.

I still wonder what Gamestop is doing with those copies of Defiance. Maybe they destroy them and just buy them in hope the customer will spend those 15 Pound in their store.

(Consoles, afaik the game gets linked to an XBox live or Playstation account there. So no idea how this would work then.)