so is this game already dead and we just dont know it?

[jnt]

So your clan leaves and you think the game is dead because of that? I don't see the logic.

He is taking the absence of his group of friends to be indicative of some larger trend to cease playing Defiance. It's awfully biased but you should at least be able to see where he's coming from with that conclusion.

[ANTIDEAD]

Yeah, it's like if your group of friends stopped going to a restaurant, and then you go up to the owner "Hey are you guys closing down? My friends don't come here anymore." Even though it's packed with other customers.

Maybe if the servers were barren he'd have a point.

[r3dl4nce]

my entire clan is poof....gone....no one plays. no one on my friends list plays,

Change clan and get in an active one, make new friends who are playing.

You can't be serious thinking "all my friends don't play anymore = the game is dead". That is simply a false statement.
If all of your friend do not play anymore, that only means that your friends do not like Defiance, they took a pause (it's B2P, you don't have to play it every day) and so on

the message boards are all negative, even on gamefaqs.....

People write usually on forum about negative comments because hey they MUST be listened, they HAVE reason and so on. If you like the game, play it, don't read the forums.

[sc9000]

my entire clan is poof....gone....no one plays. no one on my friends list plays, the message boards are all negative, even on gamefaqs.....

the patch basically ruined it instead of fixing it....

time to sell? or give it time?

I did not read the other posts, but you should research every mmo that came out 10 yrs ago and you will see there are some still around. Even in this day and age most mmos take a month or 2 till they get a hold of there game.
( because , do to the fact , at this day and age it is still impossible for them to test stuff. With a massive of amount of people on at a time, or they will have to spend 10 yrs fixing it all or unless your just waiting for them to fix ever thing tomorrow ,and never launch, since all it takes is one in a million to find that one nasty bug.) and this one got alot of good things going for it , and some weak points , but the game play is top notch for a console.

[Jestunhi]

Currently theres no role, even doing that much would enhance the gameplay, without feeling like your around a bunch of clones

hmmm...

How it is: choose any combination of perks & weapons
How it would be with classes: have a limited selection of perks and possibly weapons

You think adding classes will make it less clone-like? By further limiting the players choice by saying something like "all tanks can only spec these perks"?

Adding classes would in no way enhance the gameplay IMO (and keep in mind this is pure preference on my part and yours, neither of us is "wrong" when it comes to what we prefer).

[jnt]

hmmm...

How it is: choose any combination of perks & weapons
How it would be with classes: have a limited selection of perks and possibly weapons

You think adding classes will make it less clone-like? By further limiting the players choice by saying something like "all tanks can only spec these perks"?

Adding classes would in no way enhance the gameplay IMO (and keep in mind this is pure preference on my part and yours, neither of us is "wrong" when it comes to what we prefer).

They could easily keep all abilities open to all classes but give each class a bonus to a specific ability.

[RegularX]

Sure I would like to know where, I would like to play more shadow war I think something like shadaw war in end game should be constant, a place you can go in open map to group and hold a town or secure an area and get great rewards for doing it.

There's a quick start off the main HUD which includes Coop, Shadow Wars and Competitive PvP. It's the right crosshair button on the PS3, I don't know what the equivalent is on other platforms.

Also, there's a whole matchmaking tab in the EGO radial menu.

[Shismar]

I would not call the game dead yet but it certainly is on a sharply declining curve. Recent patches, server issues, bugs, and the realization of many players that the content is regrettably small has driven away many players. Trion knows the numbers but they will not likely tell us. So we also do not know how many new players are incoming either.

Players in game does not mean much as the game is heavily instanced. Since we do not know how many instances there are or how many players they hold, the servers need to be really, really empty before it shows. My guestimate would be below 100 players per server. But I think we still are well above that.

Concerning using forum posts as a measure, it works both ways. Players who just play the game won't post and almost all players that leave the game won't either. There only is a small minority of unsatisfied players that even cares enough to voice their concern. Most just go. Quietly.

[Jestunhi]

They could easily keep all abilities open to all classes but give each class a bonus to a specific ability.

Or they could not.

Have I missed the valid reason for this requested change in this thread? Because I don't recall seeing one.

[jnt]

I would not call the game dead yet but it certainly is on a sharply declining curve. Recent patches, server issues, bugs, and the realization of many players that the content is regrettably small has driven away many players. Trion knows the numbers but they will not likely tell us. So we also do not know how many new players are incoming either.

Players in game does not mean much as the game is heavily instanced. Since we do not know how many instances there are or how many players they hold, the servers need to be really, really empty before it shows. My guestimate would be below 100 players per server. But I think we still are well above that.

Concerning using forum posts as a measure, it works both ways. Players who just play the game won't post and almost all players that leave the game won't either. There only is a small minority of unsatisfied players that even cares enough to voice their concern. Most just go. Quietly.

At best I would say that vocal public opinion concerning Defiance is between unimpressed and negative. Trion is awfully quiet so if Defiance is "dying" then it has yet to affect their bottom line.