What would you suggest done to Cloak?

[Slay]

me and a friend both ran a decoy build. We used ARs with Sticky's. Sometimes switching to a gnadelauncher. We held down tight hot spot areas with few entrances. Decoy breaks their cloak, sticky first. Take them down with a precise AR fast. If that's not your cup of tea you can also shoot explosives at them. Even out in the open it went well.

See, that's great because you're mainly defending. I'm guessing by tight hot spots, few entrances, you were playing Shadow wars. You were not playing offensive, and you could 'spot' these players from a mile off as they came to that hotspot. They wouldn't be able to cloak anyways, or at least not as effectively as competitive. In competitive it is close quarters, usually run with shotguns if you've ever played it and to add cloak to the shotguns is a favorable combo. Try playing competitive and you'll see what I am talking about.

[Ravzar]

There is this notion that you can defend against a shotgun with skill. You can if they are using specific shotguns that don't kill you instantly (you can place a frag under their feet, killing them instantly, for one). However, some shotguns like auto fraggers fire 3 hits in rapid successions and sawed offs can literally just one shot you (they only have one in the mag, do 2k base damage then add on 30% cloak damage then crit damage) unless you run rhino shield with rear guard, fortitude, cellular armour, and thick skinned then maybe you can live but not if they get a crit off or cloak in the front of you, or just melee you after shotgunning you. You can't do much about it since you're dead instantly. You can get lucky by using decoy at just the right time or if they are stupid and uncloak when you have blur on so you get out of one shotting range. Other than that, you die.

[Tek Hound]

Ok so by me asking you for evidence on your claims, you're going to retort without evidence, tell me you're not going to spoonfeed me (Lol, ok this makes sense considering you've done anything at all at this point besides make BS claims!) call me a butthurt player, refuse to give any evidence, insist i'm a QQ cryer, don't want to listen and assume i'm a PC player. (If you check my signature, it says i'm an xbox player, good going there bud.)

You're right. Cloak and shotties are vital to gameplay and are not overpowered! I don't understand how I didn't realise it sooner!

Wow you got me on the xbox.Like you said you tag means nothing without proff but it is already know that pc has the most cloak+shotty.yes you are butthurt because thats how you came off and you didnt denie it.You dont listen ,there has been evidence since day2 when the qq started.People have already given you strategy that they do well with but yet QQ. Lets look at your evidence since i dont give any:

1.everybody uses cloak+shotty
2.Your getting killed by CQC weapon on a CQC map
3.Your getting killed by a guy who you cant see because of cloak
4.A class desgin to win on CQC maps is beating me alot

You guys are right,IT IS OVERPOWERED a CQC class winning on CQC maps that should never happen.You guys didnt even wait until we got bigger maps(shadowwar dosent count too many variables)to QQ.Good going your proff is amazing

[Tek Hound]

me and a friend both ran a decoy build. We used ARs with Sticky's. Sometimes switching to a gnadelauncher. We held down tight hot spot areas with few entrances. Decoy breaks their cloak, sticky first. Take them down with a precise AR fast. If that's not your cup of tea you can also shoot explosives at them. Even out in the open it went well.

Thank you, You and your friend are a prime example of people who L2p.I think this counts a evidence and what happen they knocked it before trying it,You should know you tried it. They will knock everything off as BS until its nerf and they can win against it.

[Vikingkid3]

Cloak doesn't need to change, maybe the cool down is a little short, but that's about it. Nerfing is a slippery slope that leads to more nerfs. But, if you buff sensor sweep to be a constant effect surrounding the decoy then nothing else needs to change. Either that or decrease the cool down for decoy and increase the sensor sweeps range, because sensor sweep, the only cloak counter, has a cool down of the duration of decoy+the cool down of decoy. It is a nice ability, but unless you have a stacked decoy team, it doesn't help much. By the time SS is usable again the other teams cloakers have already gone through their cool down and an entire cloak period, assuming you were lucky enough to activate it within 30m of them.
If the decoy itself decloaks everyone who walks within 30m of it until is dies or disappears, it will become a far more formidable power as well as requiring strategy to defeat. Cloak is the only power that doesn't require strategy to use and that's what makes it unbalanced.

apologies for the grammar etc. it's hard to type accurately on my phone.

[fang1192]

Cloak doesn't need to change, maybe the cool down is a little short, but that's about it. Nerfing is a slippery slope that leads to more nerfs. But, if you buff sensor sweep to be a constant effect surrounding the decoy then nothing else needs to change. Either that or decrease the cool down for decoy and increase the sensor sweeps range, because sensor sweep, the only cloak counter, has a cool down of the duration of decoy+the cool down of decoy. It is a nice ability, but unless you have a stacked decoy team, it doesn't help much. By the time SS is usable again the other teams cloakers have already gone through their cool down and an entire cloak period, assuming you were lucky enough to activate it within 30m of them.
If the decoy itself decloaks everyone who walks within 30m of it until is dies or disappears, it will become a far more formidable power as well as requiring strategy to defeat. Cloak is the only power that doesn't require strategy to use and that's what makes it unbalanced.

This is probably my biggest gripe with Decoy. Even if it gets destroyed it still runs its duration.

If Sensor Sweep is a constant effect it should be reduced to around 15 meters. Either that or make cloak have the predator gleam visual while moving.

[Slay]

Wow you got me on the xbox.Like you said you tag means nothing without proff but it is already know that pc has the most cloak+shotty.yes you are butthurt because thats how you came off and you didnt denie it.You dont listen ,there has been evidence since day2 when the qq started.People have already given you strategy that they do well with but yet QQ. Lets look at your evidence since i dont give any:

1.everybody uses cloak+shotty
2.Your getting killed by CQC weapon on a CQC map
3.Your getting killed by a guy who you cant see because of cloak
4.A class desgin to win on CQC maps is beating me alot

You guys are right,IT IS OVERPOWERED a CQC class winning on CQC maps that should never happen.You guys didnt even wait until we got bigger maps(shadowwar dosent count too many variables)to QQ.Good going your proff is amazing

I can't say i've ever gotten mad on forums because of anyone ever. Not going to get mad at anyone in real life over a forum post, i'm not 12 or what the 12 year olds call, 'butthurted'. When did I ever start complaining about shotguns or CQC maps, those were just used to illustrate my points for combinations and examples. I never said shotguns as a weapon were overpowered, I used them with cloak as an example of an over powered setup. Anything about CQC maps being unfair or bad maps, try to find that in any of my posts, you can't. Point is that cloak is overpowered, ok? That's the original post so stick to it. So let's stop talking about shotguns since I used them as an example, let's get back on topic and all 4 of those 'reasons' are besides the point and assumed about my gameplay.

[Tek Hound]

See, that's great because you're mainly defending. I'm guessing by tight hot spots, few entrances, you were playing Shadow wars. You were not playing offensive, and you could 'spot' these players from a mile off as they came to that hotspot. They wouldn't be able to cloak anyways, or at least not as effectively as competitive. In competitive it is close quarters, usually run with shotguns if you've ever played it and to add cloak to the shotguns is a favorable combo. Try playing competitive and you'll see what I am talking about.

See found it for you,please explain to me what competitve maps your talking about because theres only two and there CQC.

[Migrayne]

Shoot the person with an infector. Usually I never escape that when I try to cloak and run.

So wait until the cloaked shoots and kills you in one shot and hope someone sees it happen to shoot him with an infector. That sounds like a reasonable counter.



Why does cloak have the shortest cool down and longest duration. Take those perks away and the op time in the match would be reduced enough that non cloakers could compete.

[Slay]

See found it for you,please explain to me what competitve maps your talking about because theres only two and there CQC.

You didn't find anything, I never said CQC maps are unfair or bad, or shotguns are OP.
That whole paragraph in response to the other user's post reinforced that cloak is used specifically on CQC maps and used with shotguns. When I said that paragraph I was telling him since you're defending points cloak is not typically used in larger areas as you can see the guy coming a mile off anyways, so there's no point in cloaking unless you're in a closer area like in the competative maps, which are often abused with shotguns. Don't know how out of that you got me saying that shotguns are over powered and cqc maps are bad/unfair. Dude would you just read before you post, really... I feel almost every time I respond to you, you just have some response that's not even close or didn't read carefully enough.