End Game Content

[xaosykotik]

Too many dcuo references. You guys need to get over it or go back. I understand that it's the only mmo most of the ps3 players have any kind of experience playing, but it's not a very good example of one and anything you learned there isn't really relevant here. Let it go. If anyone even did the story missions and paid attention to it they'd realize that it's probably far from over. How can you expect end game content when a real story line hasn't even ended. They've just been introducing people. Good mmo games last year's and years. Take a look at ffxi and wow. Still kicking out the expansions. Just let the devs do their job. They're more experienced with mmo's than the people whining they want it and they want it now. This isn't J.G. Wentorth. It's an mmo. And if it's going to be a good one the devs won't cave in to the whiners, the people crying nerf every day, or the people who want quality rushed. Real end game will happen when it happens. The game isn't even a month old. If you expect end game in an mmo in 2-3 weeks then you should really go find another game.

[dalendria]

Reminds me of GW2. They have no endgame. They even wrote an entire article called Endgame Reimagined. Their point is that you do not have to wait till level cap to have fun or experience content. The same thing you can do at level cap, you can do at lower levels. The focus is on having fun by focusing on the content you enjoy instead of grinding for gear or doing the same raid over and over.

There are plenty of "endgame" focused MMOs out there with traditional raids. I love seeing companies that offer something different.

[Jack The Bear]

Too many dcuo references. You guys need to get over it or go back. I understand that it's the only mmo most of the ps3 players have any kind of experience playing, but it's not a very good example of one and anything you learned there isn't really relevant here. Let it go. If anyone even did the story missions and paid attention to it they'd realize that it's probably far from over. How can you expect end game content when a real story line hasn't even ended. They've just been introducing people. Good mmo games last year's and years. Take a look at ffxi and wow. Still kicking out the expansions. Just let the devs do their job. They're more experienced with mmo's than the people whining they want it and they want it now. This isn't J.G. Wentorth. It's an mmo. And if it's going to be a good one the devs won't cave in to the whiners, the people crying nerf every day, or the people who want quality rushed. Real end game will happen when it happens. The game isn't even a month old. If you expect end game in an mmo in 2-3 weeks then you should really go find another game.

Actually both of those games shipped with an end-game in them. End-game is just a term now it doesn't define the cookie-cutter example of WoW that everyone keeps assuming. End-game put simply is there must be something to do at the end of the game, at the "level-cap". Well this game technically doesn't even have levels, more or less the "Baddass" rating from Borderlands 2, its essentially the same thing. Not all games need an end-game but a game calling itself an "MMO" really needs something like that.

On the other post, about GW2, they might not have an end-game, but thats just in talk. They have essential an end-game that you can do at any level. Just takes the "end" out of "end-game". This is all just a conversation mind you, and i still want to see what they have planned. This game will get grind-heavy quickly and start to draw on and become boring if there isn't something to work towards, a REAL goal to work towards. Sure its story driven, but this is a game. Just thoughts. :]

[xaosykotik]

I wasn't much into wow, but I played xi for years. End game was always evolving. And there were many things to do. I'm gonna let them do what they do and enjoy the ride. Dcou references just hit a nerve with me. The forum community was pretty horrid, and I see a lot of them migrating to this game. I'd hate to see them ruin this one like they did that game

[Angeleus09]

Yea i mean the same type of gun not the actual :]

That is true and i understand that, this game so far to me isnt really an MMO. Its just the lack of progress is what im afraid will turn people away. I mean its unfortunatley a staple of the gaming industry these days. People want to feel like they progressed. The only reason i am EGO 1200+ is because i did the pursuits for the rewards and leveled my guns up.

I do agree this game needs more skill to play then a grind-fest, but PVP was a bad example, ATM. Shotgun and cloak dominate the majority of that right now but i know what you mean and i agree.

Also agree that the mods are the only point of getting a new gun really. I just don't like currently finishing and arkfall and getting some useless Vendor-trash or Matrix-trash. Which is always a shield or grenade. I just hope they don't mess it up. BUT.. To be fair, this game is arleady a grind-fest lol. Your just grinding different things.

Agreed? Agreed? Agreed!!!!! I believe we have an accord, carry on.

I wasn't much into wow, but I played xi for years. End game was always evolving. And there were many things to do. I'm gonna let them do what they do and enjoy the ride. Dcou references just hit a nerve with me. The forum community was pretty horrid, and I see a lot of them migrating to this game. I'd hate to see them ruin this one like they did that game

Ah DCUO didn't turn out so bad. Coming from FF XI and WoW I felt like DCUO was MMO-lite and that was actually exactly what I liked about it. That and the action combat versus traditional tab select combat, but you're right, initially the forum community there was a bit tough to swallow.

[DWill]

Well befor u go and get your information wrong there realeasing end game content in one of the 5 DLCs

[DWill]

Well you know how to not tire of it so quickly right....stop playing it so much. The game is brand new you cant expect more stuff not even a moth after the realease

[Extix666]

This is to address all those complaining that there is not any End Game Content for an MMO
Defiance is not your average MMO genre. It is a Hybrid between franchise shooters and franchise MMO. So, with that being said the End Game content is NOT your average MMO tier gear or epic weapon, although you do get an in story only pistol after completing the storyline. The End Game Content is actually your EGO and Perks. You want to say you are the best and you deserve end game content. Then earn your ego rating get your perks, that is end game content. when you get to ego 4000 and don't have some awesome Orange weapons with synergies, nano effects, 4 mod slots already opened for you or how about an Ironclad IV regenerator shield, then you can say you have NOTHING.
So here is the point if you haven't reached ego 4000 you don't deserve to see End Game Content, other than the equipment you get through the storyline. If you don't like that then go play DCUO, I heard they are about to release T5 armor. Myself I will continue to pursue my E.G.O. rating and weapon hunting.
True Ark Hunters don't complain they Hunt.

i agree completly with this i love that defiance doesnt have a loot table to constantly grind for i love the fact that all weapons are random and it takes some true grinding to find end game weapons even with grinding for ego i only just got to 500 but yet im finding that im doing most damage in arkfalls and can kill most enemies with few shots keep going trion cant wait for new patch hope it makes at least new threads with new complaints lol

[Stoned Soldier]

Too many dcuo references. You guys need to get over it or go back. I understand that it's the only mmo most of the ps3 players have any kind of experience playing, but it's not a very good example of one and anything you learned there isn't really relevant here. Let it go. If anyone even did the story missions and paid attention to it they'd realize that it's probably far from over. How can you expect end game content when a real story line hasn't even ended. They've just been introducing people. Good mmo games last year's and years. Take a look at ffxi and wow. Still kicking out the expansions. Just let the devs do their job. They're more experienced with mmo's than the people whining they want it and they want it now. This isn't J.G. Wentorth. It's an mmo. And if it's going to be a good one the devs won't cave in to the whiners, the people crying nerf every day, or the people who want quality rushed. Real end game will happen when it happens. The game isn't even a month old. If you expect end game in an mmo in 2-3 weeks then you should really go find another game.

ok dude, maybe you should read the initial post. it was started to address the fact that people shouldn't be talking about end game content at ego 0-4000. I personally have been playing mmorpgs since Ultima Online all the way to present. DCUO was a reference for PS3 players( does not sum up my MMORPG experience). so read a thread before you make such a horrible rebuttal.

[Stoned Soldier]

Actually both of those games shipped with an end-game in them. End-game is just a term now it doesn't define the cookie-cutter example of WoW that everyone keeps assuming. End-game put simply is there must be something to do at the end of the game, at the "level-cap". Well this game technically doesn't even have levels, more or less the "Baddass" rating from Borderlands 2, its essentially the same thing. Not all games need an end-game but a game calling itself an "MMO" really needs something like that.

On the other post, about GW2, they might not have an end-game, but thats just in talk. They have essential an end-game that you can do at any level. Just takes the "end" out of "end-game". This is all just a conversation mind you, and i still want to see what they have planned. This game will get grind-heavy quickly and start to draw on and become boring if there isn't something to work towards, a REAL goal to work towards. Sure its story driven, but this is a game. Just thoughts. :]

a game calling itself a MMO does not need end-game content. WSOP tournaments can be considered MMO( Massive Multiplayer Online. its the RPG that gets the content. MMORPG, Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game, this is where you customize and role play your character.
the end game content for Defiance is your EGO and Perks. That is what defines you as an Individual in the Role Playing aspect.