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    Either the word "settlement" is out of place or the game lacks that settlement. You can't speak of a settlement in the Bay Area. That is my issue. I could dig that there is an idea about miner and farming community tossed over a big area, such places exists today, but all these places today have a central settlement a trade hub. Here farmers go to get their seeds, maybe tank up (we have a gas station in the game, far from other settlements). This is the part that doesn't make much sense, especially if the area is so dangerous. Mind you I don't take into account the frequent encounters in the game, this is to fill the game world with content to do.

    What it says is: mines and farms need to defend themselves and the roads are unsafe.

    Thus the current system in the Bay Area makes little sense, especially because the roads are unsafe. Something more Defiance like would make sense, doesn't have to be as big, but a total lack of a central hub is too awkward. There is also a big lack of living homes, most building perform a function. Take the harbors for instant one of the biggest has some harbor office and some boats. It would make sense to see some boats with housing or housing along the coast. Where do the power plant plant engineers or Diablo refinery engineers and other employees live?

    In regards to Defiance (show & town). It is weird that both actions so far come down to wiping out the towns inhabitants. This seems a drastic measure for getting access to a certain item/ relic/ technology.

    "When the town is empty
    we will be free to resume our search."
    From episode 1

    What makes Defiance special?

    1. Gulanite
    2. Mag-lev line (Gulanite and location)
    3. The relic
    4. Place of civilization 1st beyond or at the Storm Divide.

    So Defiance, the people, stands in the way of obtaining the item or more likely using that item the way the "evil schemers" want to use it. Currently the no witness or no hindrance motive plays a role. I think there are 3 main paths in the world:

    1. Terraform back to what Earth was: humans win (native Americans, avatar blue giants win scenario imo)

    2. Keep the status quo: humans and votan become one (in time) new world (all have to adept and adjust, humans are effectively forced to do so (original habitants, the votan have to adjust ever since they planned the trip, mind you they never all lived on 1 single planet).

    3. Terraform onwards: votans win (Spanish invasion of South America, The "colonization" of North America).

    Than there is the hidden agenda, here extremist groups, religions and individuals fit such as the game villain Nim.

    4. The crazy scenario: kill them all, make new life forms and new world all together, volge only world etc. etc.

    In theory if Defiance is a hindrance towards the Mag-lev and too costly in the Gulanite, new motives or a new player comes into the picture: E-rep. So far wiping out Defiance would be against the E-rep agenda as far as we know.

    @ Statue:

    The unlikely one: Newly build underground by the underground dwelling St. Louis mutants Or the hellbug impressionist art called: "pleading man, don't eat me!" :P if it was new they would make a comment about it.

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    I believe it would be 1. The fact that the maglev would even be coming has to do with the gulanite, the remainder of the nuclear fuel in the total intact and properly shutdown reactor and the fact at the town is large and active.

    When the world goes to shtako, someone has to clean it up.

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    I don't think the nuclear reactor plays a role, maybe to make a bomb out of it. If it is enriched or can be enriched nuclear arsenal, if not you could still make a radiation bomb or bombs.

    Somewhere, I can't find it now, it is mentioned that gulanite (+ petrohol) and alien tech makes nuclear power obsolete. Defiance could run that ark tech shield, with the gulanite(?), alien tech and a few windmills.

    Found it one of the quotes I made earlier from this page:
    http://www.defiance.com/en/series/ph...ance-episode-2

    The St. Louis nuclear power plant was built by the Earth Military Coalition during the Pale Ward. Global conflict made delivery of fossil fuel to North America difficult. This power plant was built along the Mississippi River, as it offered a convenient cooling source. Ultimately, alien power sources proved easier to maintain and the plant shut down. So need for the nuclear fuel as fuel seems absent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozgwald View Post
    I don't think the nuclear reactor plays a role, maybe to make a bomb out of it (even when not enriched you could make some nasty *radiation bombs with it, just not nuclear)?

    Somewhere, I can't find it now, it is mentioned that gulanite (+ petrohol) and alien tech makes nuclear power obsolete. Defiance could run that ark tech shield, with the gulanite(?), alien tech and a few windmills.
    I hope so. I so miss this:
    So what is that formula? The simple one for Zero-point energy.

    if the kaziri was that it would be awesome.

    When the world goes to shtako, someone has to clean it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderclap View Post
    Quoting myself to make a bigger point.

    is the same as

    Its the Compton Hill Water Tower, if I am not mistaken. (this means that the mines are above Compton)
    Union station tower, it COULD be the same one (it looks different) as an artist rendition. I was hoping it was but it's got such a keiber elf design I am baffled how they came up with it.



    Water Tower. Grand is quite a ways from arch and the rest of the buildings (wouldn't wanna walk it) but if the earth cracked there and slid it would blow my theory of how long a span the "fold" was.



    The fit I was having during the show....



    lol I wanted more.

    Love this thread Thunder!

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    Can you ID the building I couldn't in the other pic? And you are welcome. This is fun. Almost as much as Continuum (which I can watch as well and I mean season 2)

    When the world goes to shtako, someone has to clean it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firesprite View Post
    Founding is not the same as settling. Founding would be when the government and town charter were put into place, not when people started congregating/settling in the area.
    Again, script error, or she is being imprecise while speaking. Aka My first marriage ended 20 years ago when ended 17 years ago. Or USA was founded 200 years ago. Or simply, the op is nickpicking on that line.
    Older and Slower than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderclap View Post
    Can you ID the building I couldn't in the other pic? And you are welcome. This is fun. Almost as much as Continuum (which I can watch as well and I mean season 2)
    Which pic? The first set?

    I'm Game! I might wander downtown this next week and start cataloguing buildings for the forum. I do love photography and architecture, what better way to spend the day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderclap View Post
    Actually I am an error and Syfy did too.

    She said 8 yrs ago when the town was founded Since its 2046, thats neither 36 nor 37. Its 2038. Thats a big error. Its not a misspelling, that a script error. or its a f---up by syfy.
    Or the character is just telling a story to make a point and not a historian.

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    Either way, it was poor story telling. You don't see this problem in BSG, Dr who or even in Eureka.
    On another note, Thanks everyone who stopped by. You make these worth the time I spend on them.

    When the world goes to shtako, someone has to clean it up.

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