Question: Nim and Why Do People Feel the Need to Belittle Others' Accomplishments?

[squidgod2000]

Nim was too easy.

And I'm saying this as a guy who could never beat the first boss in Devil May Cry, even after trying on and off for a couple years. Nim just wasn't very challenging.

[Escalith]

Lets be fair nobody 1 hit him unless there hacking. I only died once, not trying to brag or anything. I used a vot fragger with 2 shot burst, overcharge and perks that increase health and max health. Im sure there are many other ways to bring him down.

.. Let's be truthful about this, you don't need to hack to one-shot Nim. And one-shot means kill him without dying once on the first try, not kill him with 1 bullet. :P


The problem many point out, however rude and unfriendly they might make it sound like - is that the final fight of the game is 'challenge wise' based on the average player. And if you are an average player, nothing wrong with that, I can see the fight being challenging.

However, the bad thing about this is that for anyone above average, the fight is quite boring, bland and repetitive. Hell I could go on with white weapons and no EGO Powers and still kill him. Granted, In that case I might die or get downed a few times, and it might be more challenging than it originally was, but still.

The actual problem, as I see it, is that 'average' skill has been lowered drastically throughout the years of gaming. That's partually because alot of new players pick up games, yet also because 'pro' or 'skilled' players post guides and take away the requirement to learn about a fight. This isn't a 'Defiance/Nim' exclusive, no matter the game - google it and you'll find a guide, a walkthrough or even a video showing on how to do it. So instead of facing a challenge, most players simply resort to reading a guide or watching a video.

I wouldn't even call people 'skilled' or 'pro', I don't like those words. I'd rather title those players 'Used to more challenging games'. The difficulty steadily dumbed down to cater a new crowd or make it more 'casual friendly'.

This is where I, for example, admire what WoW did with raids ''recently''. A very casual, or new player can do Looking for Raid. It's not that much of a challenge, yet you can experience every content. You got normal raiding, aimed at average players. hard mores and 'elite hard?' something like that to post a challenge beyond what an average player would consider to be difficult.

But with the Nim fight, you can't just flick a switch to say 'Ok. He does x2 damage, his pattern will become unpredictable and he'll only take 50% of the damage' - to make it more of a challenge for others.

If you're used to faceplanting in older games trying to overcome a challenge, Nim will be boring. It mustn'd even be an older gamer and more of a 'been there, done that' kinda thing. People that played a hundred of different games and simply being able to see through pattern and adjust on the fly. And stating it's boring, while many do it do brag, is also a plea towards Developers to make games harder, or at least allow a 'Difficulty' switch.

If you're relatively new to gaming or only have experienced games of the past.. say, 4-5 years, having guides, videos and tips avail at every other corner even though the game challenge gradually lowered, yes I can see it be a difficult fight.

[Arctic Fox]

Internet = jerks.

This! LMAO

But also, if Nim weren't a hard boss there would be little mention of him on the forums so take that for what it is. Before i got to fighting him i had already seen like 10 threads about how insanely hard he was.

If people are so bold to say they beat him without dying or that he was in fact 'too easy' then they are either lying or superhuman gaming machines who have gotten so good at gaming, they must be good at only gaming. lol

Either way, Congrats to you my friend.
Everyone got a nice pat on the back in my clan once they beat Nim, no need to flex the cyber muscles too much on something that we were all working on together. A few of us did a race to beat him, but that was just for fun. Still took a while too...

[Untamed Gunner]

Nim was hard for me. Very hard. I figured out how to beat him and it took a long time and many many attempts and I died a lot but I beat him. I announced that I had finally beaten him in my clan and this is the kind of responses I gained:

-Nim was so easy! I killed him in one shot without dying once!
-They should have made that boss harder, it was so easy. I've done it twice now.
-Why would anyone think that boss is hard? LoL

And so forth. There were a couple of gratses along the way, but it seems that instead of being happy for someone who is excited and feeling they've made a personal accomplishment, people either are trying to make themselves seem superior or to seriously belittle others and their accomplishments.

I've seen it in other threads as well with people posting problems with the boss and saying it's too hard. Instead of constructive comments on how to beat him, or suggestions on loadout builds or things like that, there's mostly a lot of the same as I received in clan chat. 'LoL you think it is hard? Learn to play noob!' Or the backhanded 'here's how to do it but I did it in one shot and it was super easy'.

Look, I don't think people are asking for peoples' personal opinions and uber prowess in gaining the same achievement when they say "woo hoo I beat Nim finally" or "I'm having a lot of problems with Nim". The nice thing to do is to say congratulations or way to go, or any number of positive things rather than belittle them. Or if they're having trouble, either tell them how to do it without added 'it's so easy, quit QQing' comments that are only there to put someone down.

I guess I just don't understand it. Anyway, congratulations to all of you who have beaten Nim and have made accomplishments in the game whether it was easy or hard for you. Well done.

And if you haven't beaten him yet, please keep trying and know you're not alone in feeling it is difficult even if most of the posts that get posted talk about one-shotting him and how easy it is. If I can do it, you can too.

It was tough but each step saves so if you can get past stage 1, you won't bump back down to it if you die in stage 2. Same with beating stage 2.

If you have opinions about how easy the boss is or how it should be made so much harder, keep them to yourself please. Start another thread in suggestions for beefing up the final fight or something or having a hardmode, if you want that. It doesn't belong here.

he was a pain and very hard maybe your clan thinks it makes them sound cool or something like that come over to Degeneration x I run it and the entire team is cool and we all said that was a great boss battle some people think they are video game super guy and jerks You know that some person died like 5 times but he or her are sooooo coool lol dx fun cool and nice players friend drcoolness hammer time or darkthorn77 and see what a supportive fun clan is like visit www.defiancedegenerationx.webs.com and check out the forum and you will see we are helpful FUN COOL PEEPS

[Valethar]

It's the WoWtard generation.

Just remember that the same derptards trolling those threads are the ones that need things like DBM to tell them not to stand in the fire.

[Inde]

People need to belittle others' accomplishments because doing so makes them feel better about themselves. It's probably one of the few successes they've experienced, so don't spoil it for them by reminding them it's only a video game.

[Seth Winternight]

Well Gratz on the kill. But did you really need to make a big deal out of ppl not gz you enough for something we all done ? -.- sure ppl can be more nice but what your asking for is someone to take your hand and kneel down and look up to you and say you are my god. Less QQ and put on your manpanties

As much as the community is "topsy-turny" about these things, I have to agree with Infecto here that you should grow up. By creating this thread whining about how people don't congratulate you enough is just adding to the pot of negativity and it's not productive. Sure enough he is hard and I've had to die several times to beat him, but when I beat him I didn't holla the roof down and cry when nobody said "gratz."

The thing about these accomplishments, is that they're personal because YOU found a way to defeat him and it's just you feeling that triumph at that very moment. Nobody else can feel the way you felt at that moment, so it's like trying to instil your own behaviour into someone else.

Congratulations on beating him and some people are jerks, but do grow up a bit... If only just a bit.

[Dagbiker]

My view is:
Life is hard as it is, no one needs another reason for it to be harder. No one has to lose for another to win. There can be winners in both scenarios.

So I have come to the conclusion that you can:
1. Be kind, caring, and generous.
2. Don't be a ****.
3. **** of my way while I am kind caring and generous.

Also you can often defuse a situation, by being nice, and sometimes even make people feel really bad about being ****s.

[Man With No Name]

.. Let's be truthful about this, you don't need to hack to one-shot Nim. And one-shot means kill him without dying once on the first try, not kill him with 1 bullet. :P


The problem many point out, however rude and unfriendly they might make it sound like - is that the final fight of the game is 'challenge wise' based on the average player. And if you are an average player, nothing wrong with that, I can see the fight being challenging.

However, the bad thing about this is that for anyone above average, the fight is quite boring, bland and repetitive. Hell I could go on with white weapons and no EGO Powers and still kill him. Granted, In that case I might die or get downed a few times, and it might be more challenging than it originally was, but still.

The actual problem, as I see it, is that 'average' skill has been lowered drastically throughout the years of gaming. That's partually because alot of new players pick up games, yet also because 'pro' or 'skilled' players post guides and take away the requirement to learn about a fight. This isn't a 'Defiance/Nim' exclusive, no matter the game - google it and you'll find a guide, a walkthrough or even a video showing on how to do it. So instead of facing a challenge, most players simply resort to reading a guide or watching a video.

I wouldn't even call people 'skilled' or 'pro', I don't like those words. I'd rather title those players 'Used to more challenging games'. The difficulty steadily dumbed down to cater a new crowd or make it more 'casual friendly'.

This is where I, for example, admire what WoW did with raids ''recently''. A very casual, or new player can do Looking for Raid. It's not that much of a challenge, yet you can experience every content. You got normal raiding, aimed at average players. hard mores and 'elite hard?' something like that to post a challenge beyond what an average player would consider to be difficult.

But with the Nim fight, you can't just flick a switch to say 'Ok. He does x2 damage, his pattern will become unpredictable and he'll only take 50% of the damage' - to make it more of a challenge for others.

If you're used to faceplanting in older games trying to overcome a challenge, Nim will be boring. It mustn'd even be an older gamer and more of a 'been there, done that' kinda thing. People that played a hundred of different games and simply being able to see through pattern and adjust on the fly. And stating it's boring, while many do it do brag, is also a plea towards Developers to make games harder, or at least allow a 'Difficulty' switch.

If you're relatively new to gaming or only have experienced games of the past.. say, 4-5 years, having guides, videos and tips avail at every other corner even though the game challenge gradually lowered, yes I can see it be a difficult fight.

I love your avatar! DRRR!!

[Arctic Fox]

It's kinda sad but if you opened every thread with "I'm a woman" or something like that you'd not be picked on so much. Funny how that works online but you'll probably swap the negative posts with inbox messages. lol. Your call.