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    Any FRC Saw of any color with pretty much any combination of nano effects and "special" abilities.

    With those guns, if you aren't in the top 5 (I only say top 5 and not 1st because it is likely that 3 or 4 others will be using one) of every arkfall and getting 1st in every co-op map (as long as no one else is using one) then you are doing something wrong.

    Note: They really aren't all that useful in the shotgun/explosive fest that is PvP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbear2face View Post
    Any FRC Saw of any color with pretty much any combination of nano effects and "special" abilities.

    With those guns, if you aren't in the top 5 (I only say top 5 and not 1st because it is likely that 3 or 4 others will be using one) of every arkfall and getting 1st in every co-op map (as long as no one else is using one) then you are doing something wrong.

    Note: They really aren't all that useful in the shotgun/explosive fest that is PvP.
    i beat SAWs all the time with my FRC heavy. I actually don't think i've ever not gotten 1st in an arkfall/co-op damage board if i was there for the duration + trying since i fully modded it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindset View Post
    i beat SAWs all the time with my FRC heavy. I actually don't think i've ever not gotten 1st in an arkfall/co-op damage board if i was there for the duration + trying since i fully modded it.
    Are you talking about the FRC Heavy Scattergun or are you talking about some other type of LMG?

    I find it highly unlikely that anyone can beat out anyone using a fully automatic LMG (that knows what they are doing).

    Take a shooting on a forge for instance: If you have the ammo clip mod that gives you over 100 bullets per clip in an LMG (plus other mods) you should be doing over 100K damage to a forge IN ONE CLIP. With their fire rate and the distance you can be from an enemy you should do this in 20 or so seconds without ever being in danger. With a scattergun you have to be all up in the forge's grill, risking getting knocked down. You have only 15 or so round per clip and your fire rate is relatively slow. So in 20 seconds you would be lucky to get around 40K damage.

    That is a 60K damage difference in just 20 seconds of time spent.

    Automatic LMGs are extremely overpowered in PvE. They have, by far, the highest DPS in the game.

    The only way you can get beat in damage given when using an LMG is if you are choosing the wrong targets. Hellbug warriors or anything else that takes lower damage then other enemies. Hell, even then you often still do more damage then almost everyone else. It is highly common to finish in the top 5 of an arkfall with an LMG ONLY doing the final stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbear2face View Post
    Are you talking about the FRC Heavy Scattergun or are you talking about some other type of LMG?

    I find it highly unlikely that anyone can beat out anyone using a fully automatic LMG (that knows what they are doing).

    Take a shooting on a forge for instance: If you have the ammo clip mod that gives you over 100 bullets per clip in an LMG (plus other mods) you should be doing over 100K damage to a forge IN ONE CLIP. With their fire rate and the distance you can be from an enemy you should do this in 20 or so seconds without ever being in danger. With a scattergun you have to be all up in the forge's grill, risking getting knocked down. You have only 15 or so round per clip and your fire rate is relatively slow. So in 20 seconds you would be lucky to get around 40K damage.

    That is a 60K damage difference in just 20 seconds of time spent.

    Automatic LMGs are extremely overpowered in PvE. They have, by far, the highest DPS in the game.

    The only way you can get beat in damage given when using an LMG is if you are choosing the wrong targets. Hellbug warriors or anything else that takes lower damage then other enemies. Hell, even then you often still do more damage then almost everyone else. It is highly common to finish in the top 5 of an arkfall with an LMG ONLY doing the final stage.

    FRC heavy assault carbine.

    I can put out ~60k/clip in around 3 seconds without overcharge on a forge.

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    The only weapon I've seen that can give the SAWs a run is the Heavy Assault Carbine.

    They do 444 base damage if I recall correctly, and have a fairly high RoF, but are semi-auto. I equipped one with a burst magazine, so it fired in 3 round bursts and you could just keep tapping like it was full auto, but I think the extended mag would work just as well for those with a fast trigger finger. The weakness is that the magazine is only 20 rounds.

    If you use perks that help you reload faster, add on a barrel for extra damage and then have fire nano, those weapons could easily run alongside any SAW.

    The SAW still gets the edge from me though because it's much more effective at hip firing when you get in a tight spot because of the huge magazine.

    My best weapon so far is a purple (I'm at nearly 900 EGO and still have not seen anything orange) FRC SAW with a base Machinist synergy (5% less damage when reloading), -.30 recoil, and another boost (might be 1.1 x mag). Has electric nano and syphon melee nano. I'm hoping to get some good synergy mods for it soon, I haven't used it yet because I haven't gotten any mods I felt are worth to be placed on it lol.
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    Thanks for the replies! Im pumped to play tonight!

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    VOT Nano Fragger 980
    Stock: x0.85 bloom x0.85 recoil
    Barrel: x1.07 aim DMG x1.07 hip DMG
    Mag: x0.85 reload
    Scope: +0.30 accuracy x1.15 movement accuracy
    X1.04 DMG from maxed exp
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    X0.90 reload
    10% ego power recharge on full reload
    DMG: 270x12
    Fire Rate: 1.5
    Mag: 2
    Reload: 1.4
    Accuracy: 10.3
    Bloom: 0.00
    My sawed off skill isn't capped yet either so some stats will be getting better.

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    Give me an AR that isn't a VOT weapon and i'm content. throw in a VBI-Auto TACC shotgun just for fun as well.. don't care about what color the weapon's name is. I'll throw on whatever mods i feel like...usually for ARs its extended mags/powerbore/external recoil and shotguns get the power choke, melee butt stock and a fast mag or the one that makes the effects work better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbear2face View Post
    Are you talking about the FRC Heavy Scattergun or are you talking about some other type of LMG?

    I find it highly unlikely that anyone can beat out anyone using a fully automatic LMG (that knows what they are doing).

    Take a shooting on a forge for instance: If you have the ammo clip mod that gives you over 100 bullets per clip in an LMG (plus other mods) you should be doing over 100K damage to a forge IN ONE CLIP. With their fire rate and the distance you can be from an enemy you should do this in 20 or so seconds without ever being in danger. With a scattergun you have to be all up in the forge's grill, risking getting knocked down. You have only 15 or so round per clip and your fire rate is relatively slow. So in 20 seconds you would be lucky to get around 40K damage.

    That is a 60K damage difference in just 20 seconds of time spent.

    Automatic LMGs are extremely overpowered in PvE. They have, by far, the highest DPS in the game.

    The only way you can get beat in damage given when using an LMG is if you are choosing the wrong targets. Hellbug warriors or anything else that takes lower damage then other enemies. Hell, even then you often still do more damage then almost everyone else. It is highly common to finish in the top 5 of an arkfall with an LMG ONLY doing the final stage.
    I constantly out dps lmg users with a bolt action sniper. If you have good aim and can hit crit spots constantly, you can put out sick DMG. I can put out over 100k on a forge with a sniper in less than half a clip. Hard for lmg players to get DMG when you constantly one shot most regular enemies and do massive crits to larger ones.

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    Vot sniper ( electric/shock) best sniper, rare to find and has fastest fire rate. Mod i at your best. Do over 25k dmg 1 shot. Build it up. Beast

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