Weapon damage is client side... So is vehicle speed, etc. Way to go Trion, way to go.

[Arctic Fox]

Like I said, I'm not so naive as to think it can't/won't happen, but I can confirm that I personally have not seen anyone hacking (at least noticably so). I've done several Arkfalls and none of them have spontaneously combusted or anything.

Now, I've also not played PvP yet (I only get a couple hours a week so I tend to stick to questlines or an Arkfall if it's close) and I imagine (especially on 360) that's where most hackers would hang out.

A quick search over a few key sites has led me to find Xbox hacking clients specifically for defiance... I hope trion has a gameplan for this and puts an end to it. Though you might be interested Radz.

[Radz]

A quick search over a few key sites has led me to find Xbox hacking clients specifically for defiance... I hope trion has a gameplan for this and puts an end to it. Though you might be interested Radz.

I'm not surprised, but at least the general console user doesn't really even think about this sort of thing. Most people who play console just want something they can plug in, slap a disc in, and go. PC users are as a whole more interested in modding. If not for cheating, at least for creative reasons.

[Arctic Fox]

I'm not surprised, but at least the general console user doesn't really even think about this sort of thing. Most people who play console just want something they can plug in, slap a disc in, and go. PC users are as a whole more interested in modding. If not for cheating, at least for creative reasons.

Agreed dude, hopefully they will never catch on. I stopped playing borderlands because everyone had hacked weapons and it just got more annoying than fun. If Trion lets it get that bad, I'm out

[Escalith]

As it is, there is no point in playing. Arkfalls and PvP are both dominated by hackers, and there is no incentive to do random events since they no longer give keys.

Are they? I PvP quite regulary, havn't found a single one. I know they exist, I've seen it on videos and heresay of others, but I played APLENTY of PvP matches, havn't seen a single one. Arkfalls? I'm usually top 1-3 in the damage meters, lest I come late, and I yet have to spot a hacker in there with crazy amounts of damage or similar.

I think you're largely overexeggarating the 'hacking' issue.

Yes, they exist. Yes, client side stats are bad. Yes they should be removed. But no - they aren't overly present in 99% of your gametime ruining everything you do.

2.400 EGO Rating, Lots of Arkfalls/PvP - Hackers spotted: 0

/edit/ on PC.

[DefiantFew]

Are they? I PvP quite regulary, havn't found a single one. I know they exist, I've seen it on videos and heresay of others, but I played APLENTY of PvP matches, havn't seen a single one. Arkfalls? I'm usually top 1-3 in the damage meters, lest I come late, and I yet have to spot a hacker in there with crazy amounts of damage or similar.

I think you're largely overexeggarating the 'hacking' issue.

Yes, they exist. Yes, client side stats are bad. Yes they should be removed. But no - they aren't overly present in 99% of your gametime ruining everything you do.

2.400 EGO Rating, Lots of Arkfalls/PvP - Hackers spotted: 0

/edit/ on PC.

You probably don't notice them. Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they are not there.

I played 2 PvP matches and had a hacker in each one.

There are some very smart hackers out there. I often see unlimited ammo being used as a hack. Or wallhacking. Very hard to spot and track, but quite obvious when a shotgun plops out 50 rounds without being reloaded.

If you look at the video shown in that guide and go to that web page, it actually suggests that if you want an advantage in PvP to give yourself unlimited ammo and use an aimbot, as those are "impossible" to track.

[Escalith]

You probably don't notice them. Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they are not there.

I played 2 PvP matches and had a hacker in each one.

There are some very smart hackers out there. I often see unlimited ammo being used as a hack. Or wallhacking. Very hard to spot and track, but quite obvious when a shotgun plops out 50 rounds without being reloaded.

If you look at the video shown in that guide and go to that web page, it actually suggests that if you want an advantage in PvP to give yourself unlimited ammo and use an aimbot, as those are "impossible" to track.

And that's where it goes into guessing again. I never claimed they aren't there.

You just stated you played 2 matches and had hackers. But you can't really proove it, can you? Lest not those hacks that you stated are difficult to prove. And that's all kind of in the grey zone, where someone better than you, X or Y, often gets called a hacker, even though he's legit. And a hacker might get away with being called legit.

As for 50 rounds without reloading.. I've seen legit Orange Sawed-off Showguns with lucky mods and 30+ bullets, that means instead of 1 shot /reload, you could fire 15+ times.

[Skeptic]

How is it that everyone has ran into so many hackers yet I have only seen one since release?

[DefiantFew]

As for 50 rounds without reloading.. I've seen legit Orange Sawed-off Showguns with lucky mods and 30+ bullets, that means instead of 1 shot /reload, you could fire 15+ times.

15 shots and 50+ shots are completely different. The point was that he ran in, shotgunned most of our team without reloading, and ran out. Blur + shotgun with unlimited ammo = terrible. Yes, he killed 4 people by automatically firing without stopping. At ALL. No reloading whatsoever.

[Skeptic]

I have two shotguns with 20 round magazines with overpower that is 40 rounds before I have to reload, and there are several perks that can increase your speed by about 45% I think.

[Orge Lambart]

on Xbox, hackers seem very rare, I've only personally seen two. The first guy was flying through the air, had invincibility on so no matter how many times you shot him, he wouldn't lose health or shield.

The second guy one slotted everyone, with an AR, he was also invincible, and finished with like 20 - 0.

Although I only PVP to pick up the contracts, once I get max rank with echelon and 50 headshots I'll be done with PVP. Shadow wars I'll do until I knock out the capture 50 points, think I'm at like 20 - 25 right now.