Weapon damage is client side... So is vehicle speed, etc. Way to go Trion, way to go.

[LaserJudas]

I'm sorry, but I can't muster any outrage. As they say "all is fair in love and war." True PvPers should and do seek any advantage they can to win. This can be through ingame means, by adopting FOTM OP builds, or otherwise. This is how real life works. The real world is a kill or be killed sort of place. Soldiers, politicians, businessmen, athletes don't stay alive or become successful because they played fair. Even that white knight Tour de France-winning cyclist Lance "I work for cancer charities" Armstrong was a lifelong cheater. But what can Trion do to someone who gets caught cheating? Ban them? They used everything in their power to beat the other guy into a pulp. Sure, in the real world, businessmen/politicians/athletes are less blatant about "cheating" (and youtubing the evidence for bragging rights) but that's because the penalty for doing so in real-life is a lot more harsh. Cool, so the cheater can just buy another copy for $30 or hack someone's account and run around one-shotting people again.

Fighting cheaters is a losing proposition. The worst penalty Trion can hand out (permaban) doesn't deter any real cheater. Trion should just let things slide and make hacks freely available. I certainly think hacks would make PvE a lot better - I could farm keycodes much easier and get full legendaries.

In fact, cracking down hard on cheaters can lead to worse results. I know in GW2 (Guild Wars 2) they have strict anti-cheating policies, so the pro players mass hack gamers' accounts to take all their gold. They then use that gold to keep a permanent set of top tier consumables up on their characters, giving them a huge advantage in PvP. Half of my friends quit GW2 because they had their accounts hacked. Is this what you want to happen to Defiance? People nicking your accounts, characters and credit card info just because you got into an uproar over a PvP youtube video and Trion recoded their game to prevent hacks (btw PvErs can just ignore PvP and not come into contact with these PvPers).

Spoken like a true *******, dude.

Couple of things:

1) "A true PVPer" is a lovely little fallacy. That makes what you said automatically invalid.
2) This isn't the real world. This is a game.
3) You're one of those guys who says, "Well, since criminals break laws, why even have them?" but still has locks on his doors and would call the cops if someone stole his car.
4) Stop being one of the people this thread is regarding.

[Lisa]

I'm sorry, but I can't muster any outrage. As they say "all is fair in love and war." True PvPers should and do seek any advantage they can to win. This can be through ingame means, by adopting FOTM OP builds, or otherwise. This is how real life works. The real world is a kill or be killed sort of place. Soldiers, politicians, businessmen, athletes don't stay alive or become successful because they played fair. Even that white knight Tour de France-winning cyclist Lance "I work for cancer charities" Armstrong was a lifelong cheater. But what can Trion do to someone who gets caught cheating? Ban them? They used everything in their power to beat the other guy into a pulp. Sure, in the real world, businessmen/politicians/athletes are less blatant about "cheating" (and youtubing the evidence for bragging rights) but that's because the penalty for doing so in real-life is a lot more harsh. Cool, so the cheater can just buy another copy for $30 or hack someone's account and run around one-shotting people again.

Fighting cheaters is a losing proposition. The worst penalty Trion can hand out (permaban) doesn't deter any real cheater. Trion should just let things slide and make hacks freely available. I certainly think hacks would make PvE a lot better - I could farm keycodes much easier and get full legendaries.

In fact, cracking down hard on cheaters can lead to worse results. I know in GW2 (Guild Wars 2) they have strict anti-cheating policies, so the pro players mass hack gamers' accounts to take all their gold. They then use that gold to keep a permanent set of top tier consumables up on their characters, giving them a huge advantage in PvP. Half of my friends quit GW2 because they had their accounts hacked. Is this what you want to happen to Defiance? People nicking your accounts, characters and credit card info just because you got into an uproar over a PvP youtube video and Trion recoded their game to prevent hacks (btw PvErs can just ignore PvP and not come into contact with these PvPers).

Wait. Really? So you are ok with cheating because people cheat IRL?

[Kharnamatic]

Wait. Really? So you are ok with cheating because people cheat IRL?

Yes because playing games should train you for real life. Like how sports makes you more physically fit, and reading science fiction lets you anticipate "what if" scenarios or provide allegories to current day issues (e.g. Defiance tv show is about racial integration). Playing a MMO should teach you how to fit in and succeed in society - which is by "cheating" without being caught ; appearing honorable while milking the system for all its worth.

I'm sorry if that insults your PvE carebear sensibilities. Life is about competition. Life is PvP.

[Buruko]

I'm sorry, but I can't muster any outrage. As they say "all is fair in love and war." True PvPers should and do seek any advantage they can to win. This can be through ingame means, by adopting FOTM OP builds, or otherwise. This is how real life works. The real world is a kill or be killed sort of place. Soldiers, politicians, businessmen, athletes don't stay alive or become successful because they played fair. Even that white knight Tour de France-winning cyclist Lance "I work for cancer charities" Armstrong was a lifelong cheater. But what can Trion do to someone who gets caught cheating? Ban them? They used everything in their power to beat the other guy into a pulp. Sure, in the real world, businessmen/politicians/athletes are less blatant about "cheating" (and youtubing the evidence for bragging rights) but that's because the penalty for doing so in real-life is a lot more harsh. Cool, so the cheater can just buy another copy for $30 or hack someone's account and run around one-shotting people again.

Fighting cheaters is a losing proposition. The worst penalty Trion can hand out (permaban) doesn't deter any real cheater. Trion should just let things slide and make hacks freely available. I certainly think hacks would make PvE a lot better - I could farm keycodes much easier and get full legendaries.

In fact, cracking down hard on cheaters can lead to worse results. I know in GW2 (Guild Wars 2) they have strict anti-cheating policies, so the pro players mass hack gamers' accounts to take all their gold. They then use that gold to keep a permanent set of top tier consumables up on their characters, giving them a huge advantage in PvP. Half of my friends quit GW2 because they had their accounts hacked. Is this what you want to happen to Defiance? People nicking your accounts, characters and credit card info just because you got into an uproar over a PvP youtube video and Trion recoded their game to prevent hacks (btw PvErs can just ignore PvP and not come into contact with these PvPers).

Isn't there suppose to be a /sarcasm in there some where? Or are you truly that delusional?

[Shleg]

i too would love to see an official response to this issue.

[Moose Of Woe]

Life is about competition. Life is PvP.

I swear if I go outside one morning and see people bunny hopping around.....

[Shleg]

Yes because playing games should train you for real life. Like how sports makes you more physically fit, and reading science fiction lets you anticipate "what if" scenarios or provide allegories to current day issues (e.g. Defiance tv show is about racial integration). Playing a MMO should teach you how to fit in and succeed in society - which is by "cheating" without being caught ; appearing honorable while milking the system for all its worth.

I'm sorry if that insults your PvE carebear sensibilities. Life is about competition. Life is PvP.

oh look. 4chan plays defiance

[Trekner]

I swear if I go outside one morning and see people bunny hopping around.....

Lol that made my night, now i can go to bed with a smile!

[Beldhan]

hacker exist that a fact, it's also a fact that trion ban them (temporaly or not).
anyway, you must keep in mind that: any game in the past was hacked at some point, it's bound to happend, i don't defend it, i simply know that when i will play a game people will cheat, hack.... why? because they want to screw the other and feel the power they can't get by them own power...

sad sad sad... but it's part of the human nature, like complaining *grins*

[DustOfDeath]

lol ..."PvE carebear sensibilities."

Talks a PVP carebear with a lust for blood and violence.

PVE is more like real life competition then PVP - you strive to be ahead of others, to have more money and fave and better items..
PVP is more similar to murders, wars, concentration camps and mindless slaughtering.