Weapon damage is client side... So is vehicle speed, etc. Way to go Trion, way to go.

[Shastra]

How is it Trions fault? People will find a way to cheat and hack no matter what. Is it WoW fault that they have hackers? Is it EVE fault that they have hackers? Is it LOTR fault that they have hackers? Is it EVERY MMO out there fault that they have hackers.

Keeping weapon damage client side is Trion's fault.

[Lisa]

Now Reddit is involved too - http://www.reddit.com/r/Defiance/com...lient_side_in/

Going to be interesting what happens. Trion devs check Reddit right?

Lol one guys cheats in Defiance with Cheat Engine. It's like Trion didn't really try :P

Edit: Oh, it has to be the 64 bit version, apparently Trion can detect the 32 bit one hahahahah. Jeez this is terrible.

Cheese and Rice. This is making Trion seem pretty incompetent. That's all it takes to bypass their amazing cheat detection system?

We should get Joystiq and Massively involved as well. It may be easy to ignore their customers, but if those guys start snooping around...

[IGN]

Keeping weapon damage client side is Trion's fault.

It's very hard to imagine that the company behind Rift could make such a mistake.

He does post some very signature worth stuff though.

Lol. Man that's terrible.

[DefiantFew]

Now Reddit is involved too - http://www.reddit.com/r/Defiance/com...lient_side_in/

Going to be interesting what happens. Trion devs check Reddit right?

Very good read. Thanks. Apparently they even left in console commands. That is just lazy.

[Zewks]

So wait, Trion will reply to a redit post, but not to one in their OWN forum?
Here is the reply from Trion on reddit:

"Just to jump in... We take Hacking and Cheating very seriously and our team is working to suspend and ban players who are verified offenders. We will continue to take action against players across the board. Our anti-cheat measures are both client side and server side and we are beefing up on all aspects around this.
We appreciate all the feedback and reports that the community has been sending our way around Hackers / Cheater. In most cases these players are truly cheating. In other cases, users were simply getting out played. To report cheaters please contact our Customer Support team at this link: https://support.trionworlds.com with as much proof as possible.
I want to thank @postatyourownrisk for this post as it is very helpful. This makes tracking down users and the methods they are using to cheat the game easier. Keep in mind we are reading your posts here, so keep them coming."

I dont know. "Taking it seriously" to me, as a developer, would mean NOT coding things like damage, client side. It would mean taking a proactive method against how cheaters might be able to cheat BEFORE the game is released, in the games core "engine". Trions "serious" view about cheating seems to be a "clean up" mentality rather than "prevention"

Every step of the way, things are popping up with this game revealing all the shortcuts that were taken in developing this game. Most mmo's arent anywhere near "finished" come release, but this game sure is shooting for the gold in "didnt even really try" award.

[DefiantFew]

So wait, Trion will reply to a redit post, but not to one in their OWN forum?
Here is the reply from Trion on reddit:



I dont know. "Taking it seriously" to me, as a developer, would mean NOT coding things like damage, client side. It would mean taking a proactive method against how cheaters might be able to cheat BEFORE the game is released, in the games core "engine". Trions "serious" view about cheating seems to be a "clean up" mentality rather than "prevention"

Every step of the way, things are popping up with this game revealing all the shortcuts that were taken in developing this game. Most mmo's arent anywhere near "finished" come release, but this game sure is shooting for the gold in "didnt even really try" award.

Well at least they replied.

But yes shame that they didn't do it on this monster of a thread.

I also like it how he thanked the guy for bringing it to his attention when it was posted here hundreds of times. He also didn't even mention Lexinator, who brought this to mass attention with his epic Defiance guide.

So apparently if you want to chat with Trion, head to reddit and don't bother posting here.

[Zewks]

So apparently if you want to chat with Trion, head to reddit and don't bother posting here.

Reddit posts make it to main stream media
Main stream media is seen by the shareholders and similar

At least we see the priority here.

[Lisa]

Reddit posts make it to main stream media
Main stream media is seen by the shareholders and similar

At least we see the priority here.

NICE! Reddit got a response and it looks like they are tracking down on these hackers.

Really is too bad he didn't post it here...

[The Govanator]

I'm sorry, but I can't muster any outrage. As they say "all is fair in love and war." True PvPers should and do seek any advantage they can to win. This can be through ingame means, by adopting FOTM OP builds, or otherwise. This is how real life works. The real world is a kill or be killed sort of place. Soldiers, politicians, businessmen, athletes don't stay alive or become successful because they played fair. They used everything in their power to beat the other guy into a pulp. Even that white knight Tour de France-winning cyclist Lance "I work for cancer charities" Armstrong was a lifelong cheater. Sure, in the real world, businessmen/politicians/athletes are less blatant about "cheating" (and youtubing the evidence for bragging rights) but that's because the penalty for doing so in real-life is a lot more harsh. After all what can Trion do to someone who gets caught cheating? Ban them? Cool, so the cheater can just buy another copy for $30 or hack someone's account and run around one-shotting people again.

Fighting cheaters is a losing proposition. The worst penalty Trion can hand out (permaban) doesn't deter any real cheater. Trion should just let things slide and make hacks freely available. I certainly think hacks would make PvE a lot better - I could farm keycodes much easier and get full legendaries.

In fact, cracking down hard on cheaters can lead to worse results. I know in GW2 (Guild Wars 2) they have strict anti-cheating policies, so the pro players mass hack gamers' accounts to take all their gold. They then use that gold to keep a permanent set of top tier consumables up on their characters, giving them a huge advantage in PvP. Half of my friends quit GW2 because they had their accounts hacked. Is this what you want to happen to Defiance? People nicking your accounts, characters and credit card info just because you got into an uproar over a PvP youtube video and Trion recoded their game to prevent hacks (btw PvErs can just ignore PvP and not come into contact with these PvPers).

so people should be terrorized and just give them their way, or else they'll try to pull a social engineering attempt to get us to fork over our passes on a fake login sit eor something? most of them are script kiddies and social engineers, they're not gonna hack peoples' accounts. and if someone ever did , and they slipped up and I could find them, who would be giving the ultimatums then? this real world you spoke of finally hit them right smack in the face about 100 times. you don't give in to scrawny, or lardazz, or under achieving little snots over the internet just because they threaten you, directly or indirectly. You're post indicates you are one of those people, btw, you're not fooling anyone. the kind of loser you must be to cheat in a video game, and thinking of it like your some hardcore tryhard, no one would be afraid of you people. no one should be. you hack in a game because you are not able to cheat enough in real life to be one of those examples that you refered to, so you get your godly feelings here. hacking and social engineering works both ways sometimes when you make enemies with that type of bs.

[shadowkin]

The development /management conversation goes something like this:

Manager: "Will we get pvp in on time?"

Lead Dev: "Only if we put critical data client side"

Manager: "Whatever just get it in"

lol (blah blah blah need to make this post 10 characters)