Weapon damage is client side... So is vehicle speed, etc. Way to go Trion, way to go.

[Ozzalin]

No matter who the hell else wants to put this game down. Guess what it is not going anywhere. This game will still be around for a long time to come. There is a ton of people still enjoying this game no matter what!!!! So why don't you negative posters get this threw your head. You are not making people leave the game. Only thing you are doing is throwing a tantrum and no buddy cares. I will make it my personal mission to defend Defiance no matter what!! That is how much I love this game and no one will ever take that away from me.

TYVM Trion Worlds for a AWESOME game!!!!!!!

Don't ever say that my friend.
I've seen games totally destroyed by the community in less time needed to say "Final Fantasy 14!"
When you get ripped off, lied to, and not getting anywhere...
Sometimes, trust me, when fed up, a community can bring down any games, anywhere, in 2 seconds.

[r3dl4nce]

Every game has hackers, from the "console god mode" of single players to radar/aim/damage/invuln hacking on MMOs...
What's the news?
Publisher will ban the hackers, devs will change some mechanics of the game to make the hacking harder, hackers will find new ways to hack the game, publisher will ban the hackers, devs will change.... and so on...

The problem is not with the game, the code, the software, the devs and so on

The problem is in the mind of the people. They wanna WIN in a GAME born to have FUN. You can only have fun in a game if you win? Go play chess with a 1-year old child. Can't people have a working brain to understand what is FUN, what really is a GAME (NOT alway a competition, and winning or losing, in a MMO, won't change ANYTHING).
Until we can have some mind surgery to change the brain of all these stupid people, hacking in MMO will always be there.

[Jeronan]

WoW still has hackers. SWTOR has hackers. EVE has a ton of hackers. LOTR has hackers. GW2 has hackers. TSW has hackers. oh wait ever damn MMO has hackers guess what it happens get over it people. Hey OP get a life if you dont like Defiance because some dirt bag wants to hack because he has no skills. He cant stand to lose. That is the only reason why they hack they are COWARDS!!! with no game skills at all. Trust me Trion is on it. But why in hell will they tell us what they are doing. They don't have to tell us how they are dealing with hackers. After all why should they show their hand when they don't owe us that. My god I never seen so much negativity for a game in my life. IT IS JUST A GAME PPL!!!

I can say with out a doubt that people get paid to continue to put Defiance down. With out Fail these ppl do get paid. It is the only explanation.

What kind of hacks?

It's a world of difference having some MMO bot software automating some characters farming gold, then People outright hacking and able to turn themselves into unkillable gods oneshotting everything and everyone!

I can say without doubt this is not possible in WoW, EVE Online, LOTRO, GW2 and TSW. As most stuff in those games is actually handled server side With anti-cheat messures in place. As it should be.

And really! Because we bring this up? We get paid to bring this game Down? lol. Just lol.

But please.... og stick Your heads in the sand and pretend everything is fine, hacking doesn't exist! It's all Our imagination right.

Well soon..... all you will have left is imaginary players in Your mind and be playing on empty servers.

[Isturi]

Don't ever say that my friend.
I've seen games totally destroyed by the community in less time needed to say "Final Fantasy 14!"
When you get ripped off, lied to, and not getting anywhere...
Sometimes, trust me, when fed up, a community can bring down any games, anywhere, in 2 seconds.

I do dare say it. True fans of the game and show will not let it go anywhere and no matter how much negativity is given to the game is just more power to the course.

[Isturi]

What kind of hacks?

It's a world of difference having some MMO bot software automating some characters farming gold, then People outright hacking and able to turn themselves into unkillable gods oneshotting everything and everyone!

I can say without doubt this is not possible in WoW, EVE Online, LOTRO, GW2 and TSW. As most stuff in those games is actually handled server side With anti-cheat messures in place. As it should be.

And really! Because we bring this up? We get paid to bring this game Down? lol. Just lol.

But please.... og stick Your heads in the sand and pretend everything is fine, hacking doesn't exist! It's all Our imagination right.

Well soon..... all you will have left is imaginary players in Your mind and be playing on empty servers.

If this is soooooooooooo troubling to you then why do you even post or play or do anything for the game?

[Isturi]

every game has hackers, from the "console god mode" of single players to radar/aim/damage/invuln hacking on mmos...
What's the news?
Publisher will ban the hackers, devs will change some mechanics of the game to make the hacking harder, hackers will find new ways to hack the game, publisher will ban the hackers, devs will change.... And so on...

The problem is not with the game, the code, the software, the devs and so on

the problem is in the mind of the people. They wanna win in a game born to have fun. You can only have fun in a game if you win? Go play chess with a 1-year old child. Can't people have a working brain to understand what is fun, what really is a game (not alway a competition, and winning or losing, in a mmo, won't change anything).
Until we can have some mind surgery to change the brain of all these stupid people, hacking in mmo will always be there.

qft tyvm!!!

[Neralyte]

Please Trion, for the sake of my sanity and that of everyone else that's enjoying combat, DO NOT make damage, hit count etc server side. Client side is great! I love it! I can live with some ****** bag hackers now and then, I can deal with not always coming out on top because someone else thinks they're going to get away with cheating. Hell, at this point I get more annoyed with griefers than hackers.

And here's my reasoning:
See, with all these things handled client side, I get to play a crisp and clean, and very entertaining TPS. Combat feels great, hits count and I don't have to worry about accommodating for latency. Previous games in this genre have done everything server side with the all to obvious excuse of stopping hacking, and they sucked. Not the games themselves, they were great, but combat was extremely tedious and frustrating without ever feeling that fun.

So we go through some teething, with new procedures being put in place to minimize hacking, which will always be an issue. But that's ok, because we decide who we play with and how. I can quit a pvp match and go into a new one if I see a hacker. I'm still going to get some credit in an arkfall and there will always be plenty of others without hackers. All the while, I'll simply report them and move on my way... And I will do this happily, because this game is fun, the combat is fun, and I'm not being put at a major disadvantage, all because these calculations are done on the client side. Thank you Trion.

[atlantix]

Please Trion, for the sake of my sanity and that of everyone else that's enjoying combat, DO NOT make damage, hit count etc server side. Client side is great! I love it! I can live with some ****** bag hackers now and then, I can deal with not always coming out on top because someone else thinks they're going to get away with cheating. Hell, at this point I get more annoyed with griefers than hackers.

And here's my reasoning:
See, with all these things handled client side, I get to play a crisp and clean, and very entertaining TPS. Combat feels great, hits count and I don't have to worry about accommodating for latency. Previous games in this genre have done everything server side with the all to obvious excuse of stopping hacking, and they sucked. Not the games themselves, they were great, but combat was extremely tedious and frustrating without ever feeling that fun.

So we go through some teething, with new procedures being put in place to minimize hacking, which will always be an issue. But that's ok, because we decide who we play with and how. I can quit a pvp match and go into a new one if I see a hacker. I'm still going to get some credit in an arkfall and there will always be plenty of others without hackers. All the while, I'll simply report them and move on my way... And I will do this happily, because this game is fun, the combat is fun, and I'm not being put at a major disadvantage, all because these calculations are done on the client side. Thank you Trion.

lol first message on board trying to defend client sided weapon damage info..
with a lame excuse or latency blah blah..
i think you have no idea about how multiplayer gaming works..

[Technodude]

WoW still has hackers. SWTOR has hackers. EVE has a ton of hackers. LOTR has hackers. GW2 has hackers. TSW has hackers. oh wait ever damn MMO has hackers guess what it happens get over it people. Hey OP get a life if you dont like Defiance because some dirt bag wants to hack because he has no skills. He cant stand to lose. That is the only reason why they hack they are COWARDS!!! with no game skills at all. Trust me Trion is on it. But why in hell will they tell us what they are doing. They don't have to tell us how they are dealing with hackers. After all why should they show their hand when they don't owe us that. My god I never seen so much negativity for a game in my life. IT IS JUST A GAME PPL!!!

I can say with out a doubt that people get paid to continue to put Defiance down. With out Fail these ppl do get paid. It is the only explanation.

Stop trolling please.

We are not playing WOW or SWTOR. This is forums for Defiance and we are discussing issues of hacking related to Defiance. Put your tin foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.

No matter who the hell else wants to put this game down. Guess what it is not going anywhere. This game will still be around for a long time to come. There is a ton of people still enjoying this game no matter what!!!! So why don't you negative posters get this threw your head. You are not making people leave the game. Only thing you are doing is throwing a tantrum and no buddy cares. I will make it my personal mission to defend Defiance no matter what!! That is how much I love this game and no one will ever take that away from me.

TYVM Trion Worlds for a AWESOME game!!!!!!!

Ok definitely a troll.

You have to be. After posting that little nugget of wisdom in caps 'IT IS JUST A GAME PEOPLE'.... you post this ..lol.

[SsTiNgEr77]

Trion is failing so hard on this. I am never purchasing another game by them again. PC game has been plagued with **** since release. "Daredevil" my @$$.