On free to play

[Plzbanme]

i hope they dont have in game money or a money market like were players can buy gear.


I dont like the idea that some little rich ****** can come in buy epic items an kick someones *** because, he has god like armour and guns.


Side note: how many guns and weapons are in the game?

There is nothing wrong with selling guns as long as, free players can get them in a reasonable amount of time too. Blacklight does this really well, you can buy all of the top level stuff if you want at level one but the top level stuff is only a sidegrade to other stuff. And you know what is funny? Their prices with zen are pretty high, 5 dollars to prem-buy something and each gun is made of 5 or 6 parts. They also have premades which you can buy cheap with in-game money cheap.

[Thayl Ruttgar]

So really call me silly but I do like F2P since I have a family and do not make enough to keep a monthly going, I play other F2P games with great fun times had by all. I in some have to buy content or in others only use store to buy well things. I think that companies are going to make more money if they allow people that are hardcore and willing to pay every month a slight advantage. and I also want to add that I hope that there is a ingame way to make small amounts of store spending points ingame so people can get a taste of what they are missing and then maybe more will try and buy more from store for better game play.

now this is just my opinion so be nice.

[deusex2]

For the last time! Please stop talking about Blacklight! That game is pay2win, pure and simple. Just like any other game published by Perfect World, for that matter.

[Black_wraith]

There is nothing wrong with selling guns as long as, free players can get them in a reasonable amount of time too. Blacklight does this really well, you can buy all of the top level stuff if you want at level one but the top level stuff is only a sidegrade to other stuff. And you know what is funny? Their prices with zen are pretty high, 5 dollars to prem-buy something and each gun is made of 5 or 6 parts. They also have premades which you can buy cheap with in-game money cheap.

im not denying Free to play games are good. (i play planetside 2) However, it still a simple pay to win plane an simple and playing it normally it will take you years to unlock everything or anything at that. I Really want to keep in game micro transaction as far away from this as we can same with subscription, so more people will be attracted to it its best to keep it simple. 1x 60$ pay with a premium option for early dlc access F all this subscription and mirco transaction crap. Not enough people have noticed this game, an from what i can tell a lot of people are beginning to.

So think about the average gamer, ive been spreading the news on a couple of my forums an people are beginning to notice. All of them are hoping that no micro transaction or monthly fee. I think that's the best thing to do to attracting a large audience of people

[Fiancee]

I was gonna play Firefall but I so hopelessly hooked on Planetside 2.

[Paladin]

im not denying Free to play games are good. (i play planetside 2) However, it still a simple pay to win plane an simple and playing it normally it will take you years to unlock everything or anything at that. I Really want to keep in game micro transaction as far away from this as we can same with subscription, so more people will be attracted to it its best to keep it simple. 1x 60$ pay with a premium option for early dlc access F all this subscription and mirco transaction crap. Not enough people have noticed this game, an from what i can tell a lot of people are beginning to.

So think about the average gamer, ive been spreading the news on a couple of my forums an people are beginning to notice. All of them are hoping that no micro transaction or monthly fee. I think that's the best thing to do to attracting a large audience of people

From what I'm hearing its most likely going to be similar to Dc Online where you can buy xp boosts and expansions or just sub and get everything for free. Then of course you have to buy the box.Also a premium service that your seeing in CoD, Halo, Borderlands, and all the new games would probably not work on an MMO. Due to the fact that on an MMO your burning through updates 10x the rate for any other nonMMO game. This means more money, so you have to make a system that has a little more money involved. But who knows they could take this step and slow down the process at which games are getting more expensive.

[Plzbanme]

im not denying Free to play games are good. (i play planetside 2) However, it still a simple pay to win plane an simple and playing it normally it will take you years to unlock everything or anything at that. I Really want to keep in game micro transaction as far away from this as we can same with subscription, so more people will be attracted to it its best to keep it simple. 1x 60$ pay with a premium option for early dlc access F all this subscription and mirco transaction crap. Not enough people have noticed this game, an from what i can tell a lot of people are beginning to.

So think about the average gamer, ive been spreading the news on a couple of my forums an people are beginning to notice. All of them are hoping that no micro transaction or monthly fee. I think that's the best thing to do to attracting a large audience of people

It is not plane and simple pay and win. They have to make money some where and they do it in time. If you could get parts easily by just playing the game do you think anyone would ever pay a cent? You are just getting things faster. It is perfectly fine thing to do for free to play, if the game is skill based.
I will give you the last part since the game isn't free to play yet.

[Fikticio]

One of you spoke of Blacklight being paid to win, well its true, the amount of time a player would have to go to unblock everything would be incredible, and, yo will say no its not, well, they have disguised it well with the rentels. You rent something for a smal amout of time and for not motch but its just an "ilusion".
But my point here is that Blacklight as not persistence, you spend your time in a lobie. Its the same as playing counter strike. It just looks diferent because it give you an ilusion.

Defiance should go Buy to play, you buy the box and play. Then mabe have a store, do not mind about it, if its good i will spend money time to time. After that do paid expansions.


You guys speak of free to play but you dont now why its here and how it started.

If you have a country that as one third of the world population and every day you have a MMO that goes out and one that dies because they do not have many players interested. You have to invent a way to attract players so you make a game free and you put a store where you use real maney. And mabe some of games will have a sub model too. You make them also simple to keep player imfo so you dont spend to motch on servers, there you go you are making milions. And the estern mentality is very turned to gambling.

In the West, unless you are planing on "selling" your game to the chinise, free to play is a tuff choice to make. Western players do not have the habit to spend money in stores of free to play games.

Now, because of many estern companies are coming with there games to the west, you start to see some changes in the industry.
I am going to tell you of a game that sold a a lie. But before i need to tell you that i studied marketing in the university. So the game is FIREFALL, you did not saw that one coming. They say they are free to play, but then they say they are in beta, but IF you buy now the game you will get in beta now. WHAT!!! Then you have no NDA, so you have tone of videos on the web players whant to try it they will buy it now to play it now. Its the lie of you being parte of a privete exclusive club, that after a will every one is there. Its the perfect con.

To finish, F2P in many games it kills the game, you atract players that will "kill" the fans, (you atract the bad trolls), the ones that do spend money because they know nothing is Free and they like the game. Every one as to put food on the table. After a while the spenders will go. leaving no one to pay for the game. My last argument, you dont ask companys to make free solo games, do you, why should massive games that require tones of money to keep going to be free.

[Plzbanme]

I see where I went wrong here, I forgot tell you that companies need to make money. There has to be give in there some where, the easy way out is pay to win. The hard way is blacklight's way. I don't get what you guys would think is fair for a free to play game. Do you expect to play for a week and own half the items in game? How are they going to make money to keep updating the game and run servers for the game. You are getting a game, and paying in time. Blacklight is one of the best in terms of treating free players. You get 3 day rentals after leveling up, they let you earn zen out of game through promos and stuff. Really guys tell me how blacklight could not be pay to win? I want numbers not "make it not take as long". You guys have no idea how what it takes to run and maintian a game and I think zombie game blacklight just right for players who know what effort is. I play blacklight free and am very happy with it. I kickass and land on the top 3 most games, and only have been play for about 100 hours.

[Shadinaxx]

I see where I went wrong here, I forgot tell you that companies need to make money. There has to be give in there some where, the easy way out is pay to win. The hard way is blacklight's way. I don't get what you guys would think is fair for a free to play game. Do you expect to play for a week and own half the items in game? How are they going to make money to keep updating the game and run servers for the game. You are getting a game, and paying in time. Blacklight is one of the best in terms of treating free players. You get 3 day rentals after leveling up, they let you earn zen out of game through promos and stuff. Really guys tell me how blacklight could not be pay to win? I want numbers not "make it not take as long". You guys have no idea how what it takes to run and maintian a game and I think zombie game blacklight just right for players who know what effort is. I play blacklight free and am very happy with it. I kickass and land on the top 3 most games, and only have been play for about 100 hours.

I can tell you really like blacklight. I have never played it, nor will. I prefer a subscription model. Defiance has already announced it will have a dual model; B2P, with "piece by piece" content, or a sub, to get it all. You said it yourself, companies need to make money. I am willing to pay for a good game, but for the players that love their CoD and games of the like, they can follow the GW2 model until they decide if they like it or not an find it worth supporting.

Plus, with a sub, I can SUCK at the game, an still be able to experiance at least half of the game's content. In free to play, unless you are the allmighty god of headshots an instant scoping, knifing the snipers and walking across rooftops twitch player, you wont get to experiance the upper 40% of the game. OR, you open up your wallet an say "I want to go there and do this, but I suck" and either in game currency or out of game currency, you get to buy your way there.

Sub is a balancer, just like pvp is the ultimate equalizer in class balances. From what you have been lobbying for, sounds like you want the game to reward skill on it's business model. I think that will bite most games in the butt, because then you get lesser skilled people that want to experiance the upper 40%, and cant, so they are forced to open up their wallets (take a good look at eve online, for those that cant get a cap ship on their own, they pay 100's of real world currency for someone else to build it) to pay someone that can get them there. Be it in game currency or out sourced real world market value.

I think the focus here is appropriate, reward good gear to good players, and mediocre gear for anyone. The day "required" life's amnenitys go "free" will be the day I expect life's recreation that requires several million dollars in funding, to go free. Give me a house for free, I will give you a game for free.