Love PVP but I am getting frustrated quickly.

[Monarch]

I love the game and I'm not going to just rant/quit over this but I am getting very frustrated in Shadow War campaigns after 2 weeks of play. What I am referring to is the over abundance of cloak/shotgun users in game right now. Honestly cloak just seems to be the overly used choice of players in general, not to any fault of their own because people are going to use what they feel gives them an advantageous edge against other players, and it does. Let me offer what my experience has been thus far:

1. Spawn.... Spawn my ATV...dead from Shot/Cloak in the back.

2. Make it out of spawn area and proceed to where the action is, draw down on a target, dead Shot/cloak in the back.

3. Gather my composure, get to a control point to help out, finally get into a straight up fight, finally get a kill and look for other targets to engage, dead, Shot/Cloak in the back.

4. Try sniping and get away from the clusters of players and hopefully get a chance to ID good targets, get to a nice place to set up and scope a possible target, dead, Shot/Cloak to the back.

5. Try approaching control points from non-obvious areas and high points to get the advantage, light a few targets up and start to feel good about my situation finally, dead,Shot/Cloak to the back.


I could go on but I think you get the general theme here. I know some people are gonna disagree and that's fine, everyone has their own point of view on this matter and I know it's a tired subject but the issue still stands and it DOES exist otherwise so many players would not be complaining about it. I don't have any answers nor will I pretend to but I do feel that cloak is over used and offers a significant advantage over other skills in PvP.

Thanks for your time.


PS, on a side note. If the game is going to be tied in with the show (which is awesome) then are we going to start seeing everyone going in and out if cloak like some predator movie? I'm just asking because if it is at all like the game, Nolan is going to be one bad mofo.

[Huckleberry]

Look around the pvp forums to find out more about cloak+shotty debates. Find out how to deal with the problem, and how to complain even more if you cant.

Also, im not sure but i dont think any of the characters we have came across on the tv show have EGO powers.

[BitmapJPEG]

over abundance of cloak/shotgun users in game right now

I have to agree with you here. I am one of those Boomstick/Cloak guy and I do feel that there is way too many cloakers in pvp. I dont play shadow wars that much but on deathmatch its basically a Cloak match with the other team. You basically go around try to get a kill but you either end up getting shot at the back, which is pretty common, or you use your cloak to go around "SAFELY" and end up placing your EGO Skill on CD and then get shot at the back by Cloak/Shotty guy.

I REALLY love the PVP in this game. It's balanced in terms of Newbies vs High Lvls. High Lvl players dont pwn as much compared to other games where High Lvls basically go rampant in PVP rooms and crushing every noobs hope & dreams.

Also they really need to balance the Infectors in PVP matches or remove it entirely...

[FarmShaft]

Also they really need to balance the Infectors in PVP matches or remove it entirely...[/QUOTE]

A cloaker would say remove one of cloaks only counters

[DC Zero]

Balance the infectors? They were already nerfed into oblivion. All of the high damage ones have a range of 10, which is in two-shotting range of a shotty. The immunizer has a range of 40 but has very mediocre damage. It will take at least a full clip to kill someone with it (probably more). So dont stand in the open and face-tank it lol.

I feel like they are pretty balanced at the moment. From the other thread, I read that they are pretty broken with a burst mag but that is getting fixed as well.

[Monarch]

I appreciate the responses and even the flamer but I don't want people to think that it's just a nerf rant or just a complaint on shotguns. It's mostly cloak as a dynamic in this game right now and the fact that almost everyone uses it so that its just a predator fight. It causes a serious lack in diversity in world PVP and promotes what I see as an unfair advantage to those that refuse to use it if not just for the sake of NOT going along with the herd. I'm not a dev nor very knowledgable about game inter workings in any way, I can only go from my experience and from what others are saying. That's all. I want to see this game be more fun than it already is but it's a serious discouragement when you are dealing with this dynamic to the point that it steals from your "fun factor" in said game. I would rather see PvP be more level of a playing field like Battlefield or something like that where there are no excuses, just good and bad players but you can't get there with cloak in game as it is

I've seen many mmos suffer from the same issues that this type of skill causes. Anytime you have the ability to get a nearly guaranteed first hit on an opponent because you simply can't be seen and then couple that with power of a close ranged weapon like a shotgun, well you see where I'm going.

It just needs to be addressed.

[greatdividers]

I appreciate the responses and even the flamer but I don't want people to think that it's just a nerf rant or just a complaint on shotguns. It's mostly cloak as a dynamic in this game right now and the fact that almost everyone uses it so that its just a predator fight. It causes a serious lack in diversity in world PVP and promotes what I see as an unfair advantage to those that refuse to use it if not just for the sake of NOT going along with the herd. I'm not a dev nor very knowledgable about game inter workings in any way, I can only go from my experience and from what others are saying. That's all. I want to see this game be more fun than it already is but it's a serious discouragement when you are dealing with this dynamic to the point that it steals from your "fun factor" in said game. I would rather see PvP be more level of a playing field like Battlefield or something like that where there are no excuses, just good and bad players but you can't get there with cloak in game as it is

I've seen many mmos suffer from the same issues that this type of skill causes. Anytime you have the ability to get a nearly guaranteed first hit on an opponent because you simply can't be seen and then couple that with power of a close ranged weapon like a shotgun, well you see where I'm going.

It just needs to be addressed.

people need to understand that if they nerf cloak or shotgun there will be another fotm/OP weapon and ego combo. and then 80% of the population will use it instead. its a vicious circle and will always exist.

there really isn't a point to nerfing cloak or shotgun yet. it should wait at least until freight yard comes back

[FarmShaft]

It is what it is. Im with u tho its probably one of the most frustrating ways of dieing in a game ive come across.

More so than the bug in far cry 3 wer ud just drop down dead 4 no reason. At least with the far cry bug u didnt have to emagen ther smug little face

But we have to deal with it. Use decoy with sensor's.

Or if ur realy desperate stand in a group with a guy in spinning round in the middel fireing a infector 360º n watch the buggers try n sneek up on u then

[Monarch]

people need to understand that if they nerf cloak or shotgun there will be another fotm/OP weapon and ego combo. and then 80% of the population will use it instead. its a vicious circle and will always exist.

there really isn't a point to nerfing cloak or shotgun yet. it should wait at least until freight yard comes back

I can't argue with this. This does seem to be the trend. Instead if "nerfing" it, maybe just changing how it works would be key. Maybe like when you move while cloaked, you leave a small plasma trail behind you that barely gives your positions away but goes away when you are still. If you sprint, the trail is more noticeable and if not, it is smaller and non-existent when stationary. I don't know.

[FarmShaft]

people need to understand that if they nerf cloak or shotgun there will be another fotm/OP weapon and ego combo. and then 80% of the population will use it instead. its a vicious circle and will always exist.

there really isn't a point to nerfing cloak or shotgun yet. it should wait at least until freight yard comes back

Mabi if more people stopped thinking if u cant beat them join them. n tryed countering it would balance itself