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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteCell View Post
    vgchartz.com is entirely retail sales.

    I don't know where the 600k+ number came from.

    Here are the retail sales for Defiance on the PC and they are pathetic:

    06th April 2013 1 53,551 N/A 53,551
    13th April 2013 2 15,725 -70.6% 69,276

    Defiance is a huge bomb. Those are terrible multiplatform numbers.
    So those are sales AFTER the release? lol so they obviously had no preorder sales. Huge bomb....you are ridiculous. Over a million sales is a bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Era View Post
    MMO-massively multiplayer online
    Is Defiance massively multiplayer? Well it's multiplayer, it has a large persistent world filled with continents worth of users and the user base is decidedly large, so yes.
    Is Defiance online? yes.

    Maybe you meant MMORPG since MMO is often used as shorthand for just that given the dominance of RPGs in the market.

    RPG-role-playing game
    Does Defiance involve playing a role? Yes, you are even allowed to customize the silent protagonist before and during your adventures through the story campaign to better immerse yourself.
    Is Defiance a game? Obviously yes.

    Maybe you're just an idiot.
    Yes I meant MMORPG... because everyone knows "MMO" means MMORPG.. The fact that you've defended this game in a completely ignorant context.. makes me happy that you question whether or not I'm an idiot.

    Get back on your console kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknessjw View Post
    I hate grammar polices, this is internet and not english school
    This is 'the internet'! 'The'! : P

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    Quote Originally Posted by thinice View Post
    So those are sales AFTER the release? lol so they obviously had no preorder sales. Huge bomb....you are ridiculous. Over a million sales is a bomb.
    Are you literate?

    Those are weekly sales. That includes launch.

    I'll be expecting a poorly written LoL apology in the mail, Sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regrets View Post
    Yes I meant MMORPG... because everyone knows "MMO" means MMORPG.. The fact that you've defended this game in a completely ignorant context.. makes me happy that you question whether or not I'm an idiot.

    Get back on your console kid.
    Really because there are more games that are massively multiplayer online games then just standard RPGs.

    For example Planetside 2 is a MMOFPS, you have DCUO which is an MMOARPG, you have this game which was advertised as an MMOTPS, there are MMORTS games, and developers are looking at making many more game types into MMO games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B_Draco View Post
    Police? Hardly, I'm a forum lurker, and this lurker doesn't like dwelling around THAT obvious of SPELLING incorrections... Yes I know your doing sarcasm dearest...
    You're, would have been the correct word. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Irony at its finest.

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    Many PC players knew about Trion from Rift ...

    Thought that Trion, atleast knew something about mmo's, so it would be atleast as good or better.Had 5 years and some lessons learned.

    Been feeling personally that I was wrong about that now. Apparently the not only one.

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    I swear people are pretty dense when it comes to games, this game was rushed to market which explains about 99% of the bugs. Trion nailed Rift launch, why do you think this launch was the polar opposite of that.

    It has to do with the game being rushed, it's a shame the developers can't come out and just say "Hey guys, we know you are angry about all the issues, we were forced to rush the games release to coincide with the television show. Just give us some time and we'll have things working the way they should be working"

    The show came out 2 weeks prior to the television show, games of this size are typically pushed back 2 or 3 or even 4 times due to bugs, glitches and content issues. Was this game pushed back at all? The game plays second fiddle to the television show, so even if the game is messed up and not ready, the television show was going to go ahead as planned.

    Since the show and game are tied into each other they needed to release it now as opposed to later. Thus we got a game that is filled with bugs, and generally not really ready to be a finished product. (finished in an MMO sense) Given time I can see the issues being worked out, being fixed and content getting added.

    Although with that said, you never get a second chance to make a first impression, I'm sure the issues scared away a lot of gamers. Many of which will never come back to this game, it's such a shame because I'm sure in 2 or 3 months this game will really hit it's stride.

    As for low sale figures, people have already said that list doesn't account for digital sales, which I'll go ahead and say probably added a few hundred thousand to the PC total.

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    Out of curiosity, did anyone actually read the link in the OP?

    Said link doesn't go into sales numbers, except in the hypothetical, it is primarily pointing out that Syfy and Trion Worlds, in a joint press release, stated "MORE THAN SIX MILLION GAMEPLAY HOURS WORLDWIDE" (their caps) and that while on its face that sounds somewhat impressive, in reality it really isn't.

    Assuming 1 million copies sold, that's only six hours played per copy, which would be pretty dreadful for an online game.

    Either they didn't sell that many copies, the people who bought those copies didn't play much at all, or both.

    Assuming the "MORE THAN SIX MILLION GAMEPLAY HOURS" is reasonably close to accurate, and it may well not be, none of the available options you can reasonably derive from that is very good.

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