Another company releases an unfinished game.

[Diggot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB7r9m9vYNA

What is it with companies becoming more and more prone to release REALLY BAD products?.

In the past few years, there has been a huge increase in companies releasing unfinished games
that has barely been beta-tested at all, or even had its known issues sorted even tho the
testers has pointed out several game-breaking bugs.

To me it seems more and more like developing companies sees a Beta-session as a pre-release
phase, nothing else. There are very few who actually uses a beta-testphase to FIX issues
and let the beta run until the game IS FINISHED AND READY for release.

Me and a friend of mine who's worked with games has many many long talks about this issue
and he basically says that gamers and the most self-entitled customer today.
Me, i just think that gamers today are getting really sick and tired of paying FULL PRICE for
a product that the deverlopers knows shouldn't even be released in its current state.

One company that is doing the right thing, is Grinding Gear Games with their "Path of Exile",
a hack'n slash game with many players says it is what Diablo-III should have been like.
PoE has been in beta-status for a LOOOONG time and its getting constantly fixed, polished
and you have the feeling of quality through the whole game. I have beta-tested PoE for
a long time and i have yet to encounter any bugs, unlike some newly released games which
i encountered bugs the FIRST DAY of testing and they are STILL IN THE RELEASED GAME....


Now, honest to god, one hand on the bible and the other on my heart, i don't have one single
pirated game on my hard-drives. But i can totally understand why players chose to DL games
instead of paying for them... simply because games today are mostly released in a state that
they shouldn't be.

Now you can say players are self-entitled. But i believe, as a PAYING CUSTOMER, i am entitled
a WORKING PRODUCT if i am to pay full price.

[Shootersa]

Angry Joe pretty much flames every game on anything he can.

[AcidRayne]

The general idea for this game is extremely sound. All games, especially mmo's have bugs, they work on them to get it fine tuned. Not always will a beta test reveal the problems that are bound to happen. Deal with it, if you don't like the game, then don't play it. If you do, then stop complaining and get over yourself

[Paul Martin]

I've been gaming since the zx80, so quite use to games and bugs, it is apart of gaming and will always be, but it will never stop me buying a game. Just part of the fun. When I first started gaming the fun was getting the tape deck to load the game and messing around with the spring in the tape head so the sound wouldn't distort on loading. What memories lol, now days it's easy to get bugs fixed, just start the games and patch. Lifes to short to whine, just enjoy till Trion fix things, MMO's are always getting bugs after each patch, new thing create new problems, just one of those things in the gaming industry.

[Mrobusto]

Trion has done a great job at working diligently to fix their many bugs. So many, that it's going to take some time. If this game did not have a set release date that coincided with a TV show, I would expect this to still be in beta. MMOs are large, complex games that are bound to have bugs, glitches, and hangups. That what patches are for. And with all that noted I give Trion credit for at least having sound customer service (enough to admit their faults and try to fix them) and I give them the benefit of the doubt. Sure, if this was any other run of the mill MMO, we would expect this to still be in beta. But, Defiance aspires to do more than our average MMOs. And yes , Defiance isn't the best out there, yet. But it has a certain character and charm that has yet to fully bloom. Also, consider the work that is going into running and maintaining both US and EU servers on three different platforms. That is not an easy feat. It requires a large amount of labor, which happens to require capital. Trion is dependent upon the revenue from sales and micro-transactions that can only be adequately acquired through a full-release. This revenue, in turn, fuels the fixes and patches we have received and will continue to receive for some time. I've come to terms with that. The way I see it, these bugs were inevitable, but they will be inevitably fixed, regardless of which phase the game is in.

[jasper murtagh]

I been around since Trs80 and tickertape days. I think the % of buggy games are the same.

[Xiiego94]

Angry Joe pretty much flames every game on anything he can.

i used to think otherwise but lately his credibility has been dipping, for me atleast.

[MattChicago]

This dude needs medication.

[Diggot]

You all have the wrong impression. I wasn't bashing Defiance or Trion, i was bashing
game-developers in general which today, seems to believe its OK to release faulty
and unfinished products, knowing that they should not be released.

And then you have game-developers falsifying information and game-scores on
review-sites to increase sales. This happened with Startrek, where the developers
were caught with their hands on the cookiejaar when creating "fake accounts"
and give their game 10/10 to make it look good.

Sure, i agree that players are the most self-entitled customer today, but we also
have to deal with more and more of ours products being released before they
should be, unfinished, unpolished and sometimes, completely broken..

At full price. That's like selling a brand new car, but the brakesystem might not
work at times, or the airbag can release on its own, and you know about it but
you chose not to fix it before releasing the car on the market.

Me and a friend is working on a new system for games which should, if it works,
revolutionize the market for gaming, and root out bad developers that wants
to release unfinished & broken products.

[Rhorge]

Companies always made unfinished games. Ever heard of cut content? There was a metric ton of it. Now companies can get the content out and polish it later with updates.