PVP is so broken....Cloak so OP....

[Mynx]

This right here. You win 17 interwebz! I play on PC, which is dominated by the safety of shotgun+invisibility mode, and some attention to your surrounding (sparkle sparkle!), overcharge or blur, traveling in groups, nano-effect weapons etc. all combats cloak very effectively.

The first or second cloak user isn't the problem, it's the third through the 8th that usually get me

traveling in groups is a bad idea around me because i use detornators in pvp, 1600 damage can lay 5 each with a 10m radius

this is how i kill cloakers

you need alot of AOE

[Upinya Slayin]

1. Every team is majority cloak and shotguns
2. This isn't difficult with overcharge and the presence of mind to group with other players.

so camp in the safety of your friends is the skillfull way to play? did you get a permit to pitch that tent and roast those s'mores?

[Stryfe]

traveling in groups is a bad idea around me because i use detornators in pvp, 1600 damage can lay 5 each with a 10m radius

this is how i kill cloakers

you need alot of AOE

Ha!

I didn't say travel on top of each other, but the best matches I've played and seen played in PvP are when the team works as a group and sweeps the map. Works well in waterfront which is a better map for killing cloakers (easier to see em, less nooks and crannies for them to run to), but not so much in observatory.

And of course you use detonators. Explosives, shotguns and infectors are our only real options in PvP

Worth noting, I used to use rocket launchers or detonators, but lately I've been running with a purple VBI TACC AR that I do pretty well with at ranged. I mean, I know PvP doesn't cater to weapons that require time or aiming or finesse, but it's fun to mix it up sometimes

[Tryskell]

You made 11/2 one time, and congratulations. But now share your total ratio K/D, and compare it with a cloaker + shotgun K/D ratio.

PS : I also made that sort of score one time with a guided rocket launcher. Learn to play with your LMG.

[Taux]

Cloak is OP compared to any other ability in PVP. This is fact, and there is no way around it.

You are made almost 100% undetectable when active.
When you attack, you fall almost immediately back into cloak.
Cloak has a faster recharge time than any ability possibly can.
The fact that everyone not using cloak is required to "stay in a group" or have some sort of tactic to counter a specific ability, shows that it's OP.

You don't see anyone trying to prepare specifically for any other ability constantly.
Cloak ability gives no one any fair warning to their presence other than that you can assume almost anyone on the enemy team will suddenly appear out of cloak.

They AT LEAST need some sort of light shimmer when they move, at bare minimum so if players are watching carefully they can detect if someone nearby.

[Upinya Slayin]

Cloak is OP compared to any other ability in PVP. This is fact, and there is no way around it.

You are made almost 100% undetectable when active.
When you attack, you fall almost immediately back into cloak.
Cloak has a faster recharge time than any ability possibly can.
The fact that everyone not using cloak is required to "stay in a group" or have some sort of tactic to counter a specific ability, shows that it's OP.

You don't see anyone trying to prepare specifically for any other ability constantly.
Cloak ability gives no one any fair warning to their presence other than that you can assume almost anyone on the enemy team will suddenly appear out of cloak.

They AT LEAST need some sort of light shimmer when they move, at bare minimum so if players are watching carefully they can detect if someone nearby.

sorry but i have to disagree. does it get you some easy kills? yes does it allow you to play reckless yes. but there are so many counters and it sthe only ability that can be negated by so many things

for instance
negates cloak
sludge
fire
infectors
decoy + perk
electricity
BMGs

negates blur
sludge
1 type of BMG

Negates Decoy
Nothing

Negates Overcharge
Nothing

so well cloak might have the most benefit to it, it also has the most things that counter it in the game.

[Wadgod]

i have yet to see anything that is op in pvp game is very well balanced...

sick of the stupid 10 year olds that get mowed down by ppl who are better and smarter then they are and then crying to nerf everything in sight until our guns shoot foam darts instead of bullets. Stop pvping or get better nothing needs nerfing.

[Upinya Slayin]

i have yet to see anything that is op in pvp game is very well balanced...

sick of the stupid 10 year olds that get mowed down by ppl who are better and smarter then they are and then crying to nerf everything in sight until our guns shoot foam darts instead of bullets. Stop pvping or get better nothing needs nerfing.

or they could just play and have fun and realize they aren't as good as they think they are?

[Wadgod]

that too....

[Taux]

sorry but i have to disagree. does it get you some easy kills? yes does it allow you to play reckless yes. but there are so many counters and it sthe only ability that can be negated by so many things

for instance
negates cloak
sludge
fire
infectors
decoy + perk
electricity
BMGs

so well cloak might have the most benefit to it, it also has the most things that counter it in the game.

None of those actually negate cloak because you have to be able to see them to use it against them.
And you know, that's before the sneak up behind you with a VOT Fragger and kill you before you can turn around.

The thing that makes cloak so OP is that they can close distance, or get behind you very easily and guarantee the first shot on you, which if they have the better or equally as good weapon, they're guaranteed a win because they shot first.

Not to mention it can make a long range weapons nearly obsolete.

The decoy perk is nearly useless because they have to be within the cloakers effective range to be detected. In other words, if they're close enough to be detected, they're close enough to take you by surprise. Not to mention, the tiny chance of you already having your decoy out when a cloaker is nearby and in front of you, and you've sacrificed a perk slot for the ability.


I'm sorry, but it still stands, that it's nearly impossible to detect someone in cloak, and there is no way to counter it until they have left cloak or you get really lucky.

The fact that you're forced to use very specific, usually not very good in pvp weapons in order attempt to "counter" it.
it just seems unfair.

Considering the other abilities almost have little effect on encounters compared to cloak, it's kind of ridiculous that you're nearly invincible while in cloak just because no one can detect you.



I would be fine with cloak, but the fact that you can be touching someone incloak, who is in front of you, and you would have no way to tell unless a very specific occasion occurs, is just rediculous.