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[rathb18]

like photo/video editing? excell spreadsheets? wordprocessing? surfing the web? printing off bank reports? update social media? help cure cancer?

Yeah you can't do any of that on a console since last I checked they can't run photoshop or any adobe product, and when did ps3 get microsoft office or open office now? You might get the most basic tools (even smartphones have better tools) on a PS3 but there nothing compared to PC. And how does a PS3 cure cancer? I'm pretty sure there running supercomputer like the new titan to cure that. And have fun surfing the web with no flash player.

[I FibreOptic I]

Yeah you can't do any of that on a console since last I checked they can't run photoshop or any adobe product, and when did ps3 get microsoft office or open office now? You might get the most basic tools (even smartphones have better tools) on a PS3 but there nothing compared to PC. And how does a PS3 cure cancer? I'm pretty sure there running supercomputer like the new titan to cure that. And have fun surfing the web with no flash player.

Oh wow great argument, like I want to go on my console to do any of those things, I have surfed the web on my Xbox a few times when I couldn't be bothered going on my PC whilst I was on my Xbox, but the whole purpose of consoles are yo....oh? To play games? lol yea that is it's primary focus, PC's are for everything.

[CReaper210]

Better graphics is just the start of PC gaming. You got mods IE Land expansions, weapon packs, armor packs, game world overhauls, game mechanic overhauls, and dozen of more types of mods that can make the game look 100% different and increases replayability 2-5x just because of how different it will be. And best of all those mods are all free and I know for skyrim and fallout especially they add thousands of hours to the game play. Than you got higher FPS heck most console game are limited to 704p and 30 FPS where as most PC gamers play at 1080p+ and 100+fps that makes a huge difference in gameplay. Than of course PC is an open system meaning you can do whatever you want, unlike a few years ago sony threatening to sue anybody to jailbroke the ps3. You also get more flexablity on a PC given you can run has many screen's as you want so you can play a game on one video skype with your friends on another and check out game tips or cheat on another screen. Plus with this new fad on voice commands and using your body to play games well PC has had that ability for almost a decade now, you can put voice commands in any PC game out there or use TrackIR in most games. And as I stated in the long run console gaming is more expensive the PC gaming is. And where do you get the idea that there's more console gamers than PC? Maybe there more wii, 360 and ps3 users combined but that a given. There are more PC gamers than 360 or ps3 or wii. And you do remember when consoles came out they were close to the same price as a good gaming PC just like the new console will be almost the same price and probably more expensive than a gaming PC. And it's not more fun on consoles I have played on both on them for several months and I hated almost every min of it. To me and 10's of millions of other gamers consoles are the worst thing possible to game on.

Yes, mods are fun. No, I will not choose PC over console because of them. They are only fun for so long. GTA games are the only game I've bought for console AND PC, and I still have more fun on console, even with mods. I guess that is something I wish consoles could do. But it's not something that would ever make me switch over to PC.
Where do you get the idea that console gaming is more expensive? In order to run every game at max settings on PC(which is the entire point of PC gaming over console, is it not?), you're probably spending around $1000-$1250. I've spent $500 TOTAL on my console and tv. Again, how is the PC cheaper?
If it wasn't for the fact that RTS games were so hard to play with a controller, I would have never spent more than $200 on my PC.
I'll choose console over PC any day. I know that is hard to understand for the PC elitist fanboys, but some people just have preferences.

[Eldarch]

Developing a console is not about making the best graphics available on todays market. It's about being able to provide a consistant platform for game developers to make games for as well as providing a reliable gameplay experience for users.

Advantages of making games for consoles:
-Predefined user input method
-Reliable hardware. All users on a PS4 will have the same experience graphically and performance wise.
-Don't need to support hundreds of unstable devices. (I've worked tech support everyone thinks games on pcs should run perfect on their 5 year old machine. It's a pain)

Advantages of playing games on a console:
-You are on a level playing field with other players. your controls are the same as theirs.
-Reliable. The game you buy will be supported by both the hardware provider and the software developer
-Quality control, Sony and Microsoft employ many methods of quality control closing it off largely to random developers
-Because it's a supported hardware you can expect there will be a large library of games that will perform well as they are tailor made for your device. You spend the initial cost of the platform and use it for years without needing to upgrade components for the next game as PC gamers often do.

And do not expect PS4 or XBox 720 to maintain state of the art graphics. You have no idea how expensive those games are. Already we are seeing a decline in gameplay at the expense of increased graphic demand. I fear to maintain the quality of graphics Epic and crytek is trying to force down our throats games will soon become interactive movies with no real gameplay.

The industry can not afford or support another graphics jump right now.

[Darky]

PC can never replace the consoles period, no matter how strong PC compared to consoles.

[rathb18]

Where do you get the idea that console gaming is more expensive? In order to run every game at max settings on PC(which is the entire point of PC gaming over console, is it not?), you're probably spending around $1000-$1250. I've spent $500 TOTAL on my console and tv. Again, how is the PC cheaper?
If it wasn't for the fact that RTS games were so hard to play with a controller, I would have never spent more than $200 on my PC.

Ok well first I'm going off of how much consoles where when they first came out so about $700 and unless you buy a netbook no computer is $200 unless you got it used from a pawn shop. Most of your avg desktops are about $500 at walmart so well go off of that. So figure everyone in the US at least has a desktop so $500 there than add $700 for the ps3 when it first came out that $1200 right there. Now if you just bought a gaming PC you can get than for about $800 so you would have just saved $400 going that route. Also PC games are cheaper than console game's and PC's don't fail like consoles do. Heck just a few years ago the 360 had almost a 60% fail rate, That's terrible.

[rathb18]

You spend the initial cost of the platform and use it for years without needing to upgrade components for the next game as PC gamers often do.

No pc gamer does that unless there rich, My 2 year old PC can still max out every game apart from crysis 3 and arma 3 but it still get decent frames on high settings. So I don't know why your thinking anybody upgrades for the next game. That and PC get's 100+ games a year so I don't see anybody doing that. Heck even the PC I built for my friend about 5 years ago still plays most games on high, And I only put about $700 into that PC.

And do not expect PS4 or XBox 720 to maintain state of the art graphics. You have no idea how expensive those games are. Already we are seeing a decline in gameplay at the expense of increased graphic demand. I fear to maintain the quality of graphics Epic and crytek is trying to force down our throats games will soon become interactive movies with no real gameplay.

The industry can not afford or support another graphics jump right now.

Better graphics has no effect on cost or time. All they have to do is instead of using dx9 they can use dx11 and get an instant boost in the graphics department. Or instead of scaling textures down so there blurry than can just leave them as they are. If better graphics really cost a ton and took time away from making a better story than how can the modding community on PC make games look 2-4x better just a few days or a week after the game release?

[CReaper210]

Ok well first I'm going off of how much consoles where when they first came out so about $700 and unless you buy a netbook no computer is $200 unless you got it used from a pawn shop. Most of your avg desktops are about $500 at walmart so well go off of that. So figure everyone in the US at least has a desktop so $500 there than add $700 for the ps3 when it first came out that $1200 right there. Now if you just bought a gaming PC you can get than for about $800 so you would have just saved $400 going that route. Also PC games are cheaper than console game's and PC's don't fail like consoles do. Heck just a few years ago the 360 had almost a 60% fail rate, That's terrible.

Exaggerating to prove your point? No. Xbox 360 was $400 when it first came out. PS3 was $600. Wrong
And yes, computers CAN be $200. No, I'm not talking about pawn shops, they are at places like bestbuy. Wrong again.
You could spend $800(if you bought a PS3 at launch and need a computer as well) for the PS3 AND computer. Either way, a gaming PC capable of running all games at max or even pass the console versions(with stable FPS) will cost more than that. A graphics card alone capable of running (modern)games on high will cost upwards of $400. Then the hard drive, ram, processor, motherboard, monitor. If you're maxing out games with $700, then tell me where you got your PC, because I'm buying one too.

Oh, and the only reason the PS3 was so expensive was because they put in backwards compatibility for the PS2 which they have stated costs a lot of money to make. Since they stopped producing that version, it went down to $400. Feel free to reduce your estimated price by another $200. I personally never buy consoles as soon as they release anyways.

[rathb18]

Exaggerating to prove your point? No. Xbox 360 was $400 when it first came out. PS3 was $600. Wrong

"The PS3 launched in Singapore in March 2007, with the price of 60 GB announced as $799, without games." So where are you getting $600 from?

And yes, computers CAN be $200. No, I'm not talking about pawn shops, they are at places like bestbuy. Wrong again.
You could spend $800(if you bought a PS3 at launch and need a computer as well) for the PS3 AND computer.

And well I just went to BB online and there cheapest computer is a gateway desktop for $539.98

Either way, a gaming PC capable of running all games at max or even pass the console versions(with stable FPS) will cost more than that. A graphics card alone capable of running (modern)games on high will cost upwards of $400. Then the hard drive, ram, processor, motherboard, monitor. If you're maxing out games with $700, then tell me where you got your PC, because I'm buying one too.

And it's called I built my PC. And my graphics card only cost about 200 when I bought it 2 years and it can max out every game but crysis 3 and arma 3. And all the other parts are pretty cheap to, A mother board about $100, Cpu about $200 ram about $100 hard drive about $80 case about $40 PSU $60 GPU about $200. K/M wireless $40 and just hook it up to your TV.


So I think your prices are a little off, I have been playing PC only since '95 and have built around 20 computer for myself and friends so I know what the price of stuff is.

[Mirimon]

Yeah you can't do any of that on a console since last I checked they can't run photoshop or any adobe product, and when did ps3 get microsoft office or open office now? You might get the most basic tools (even smartphones have better tools) on a PS3 but there nothing compared to PC. And how does a PS3 cure cancer? I'm pretty sure there running supercomputer like the new titan to cure that. And have fun surfing the web with no flash player.

first off.. there are apps that run video creation and editing, as well as photo editing tools right from the xmedia OS.. but also.. if you are lucky enough to own one, you COULD.. COULD, install other operating systems. my first ps3 not only has a blazing fast tc166 2tb ssd in it, but is linked to an additional 11tb library (the only thing that didn't come in the box, and that most people cannot get for free), along with multi flashcard readers, but 4 usb ports, and several different versions of linux, with a veriety of "open office" software, as well as the ability to play several pc games... if you had read the posts, you would have seen that..

even out of the box it has google web browsing., from day 1... not particularly hard to do, since most things come with google in them these days, but this was from back in 2006.., just saying.. you underestimate, and not know the facts of the capabilities of devices..

sure.. you can have every toy in the world all wired up, but in today's economy, it would certainly be wiser to get products that last, are relatively cheap for what they can do, and can do, at the least, their job well, as well as do other jobs. you could piece together a pc to do portions, or almost all of what we want, just as you could get an xbox, then a bluray player, then something else to do pc stuff on (most likely a crap box pc). A smart consumer, in trying times.. might just instead decide to cover all those devices with one, that won't burn down their house... or require other microsoft programs to operate as media servers (ahem.. xbox requires a pc with WMP to use it as a "media" server (I use that term loosely with xbox, as it cannot do 3d, TRUE 1080p (it outputs a 1080p signal but not the resolution), or uncompressed audio..

Just saying.. don't be soo quick to rule something out without knowing all that it is capable of.