So the Devs started to take notice

[Upinya Slayin]

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I question a lot of the logic behind this... i mean. If people wont use the PVP loot - why would they grind there?
Also, people do camp on this game already - so im not sure how much you have been playing it (I play on PC so maybe console is different)
People sitting in spectator will ruin the game? Really? if they arent spawning in to begin with, they probably were not playing PVP anyway - but might get enjoyment form watching others to learn and feel confident enough to play (if they frequent pve)
Also this game is very generic, i dont see how its so different it makes successful shooters like COD or Halo lesser than this game... I mean adding in vehicles would make this war themed game a lot more engaging than just the same old 4-wheelers passing by and the 1 Cerberus... i mean that pretty much like halo right there so adding in more features than that isnt making it a halo clone...

Because in short people are stupid. and they will grind out mindless things in video games because they have fun unlocking more then playing the game. I'll never understand that logic but its out there and i don't want people leaching in PvP games. watching somebody AFK go 0-7 and lose the game for their team so they can beat challenges. i seen some of it already just from the 50 hours played in PvP challenge. and taht doens't even reward weapons.

as far as camping i've seen veyr little of it so far. especially with all the explosives. i never played COD but its alot less camping then on GoW:judgement and Halo 4 and i'd like to keep it that way. its fun and fast paced for the most part. (xbox BTW)

I do agree its a very generic shooter in PvP what makes it good is that its different. the different weapon types, different playstyles, different ego power and perks, grenades on cool down so they can't be spammed all work well. plus the support weapons and countering abilites etc make it different then your average shooter IMO. don't get me wrong. i like halo , i even liked GoW until it got boring and stale with 1 dimensioinal gameplay and campers. and it happened becuase epic listened to the community and kept changing it to make the most vocal whiners happy and in a sense killed off a lot of its playerbase. Adding features taht make it more halo lake doens't make sense. it won't do halo better then halo does it already and if it turns into halo i'd rather play that instead. as long as this is different i'll play it I've probably played PvP as much as i've Played PvE so far. even with only 2 maps and shadow war (haven't even played shadow war yet)

[Aeekto]

Anybody else in this PVP board that wants to see some of these changes?

Nope,
only new maps and gamemodes (more capture and hold + attack and defend).... everything else kills good fun PvP, because the leeching, statpadding and spying would begin massivly.

[BetaChapel]

[QUOTE=Upinya Slayin;501519]

Because in short people are stupid. and they will grind out mindless things in video games because they have fun unlocking more then playing the game. I'll never understand that logic but its out there and i don't want people leaching in PvP games. watching somebody AFK go 0-7 and lose the game for their team so they can beat challenges. i seen some of it already just from the 50 hours played in PvP challenge. and taht doens't even reward weapons.

as far as camping i've seen veyr little of it so far. especially with all the explosives. i never played COD but its alot less camping then on GoW:judgement and Halo 4 and i'd like to keep it that way. its fun and fast paced for the most part. (xbox BTW)

I do agree its a very generic shooter in PvP what makes it good is that its different. the different weapon types, different playstyles, different ego power and perks, grenades on cool down so they can't be spammed all work well. plus the support weapons and countering abilites etc make it different then your average shooter IMO. don't get me wrong. i like halo , i even liked GoW until it got boring and stale with 1 dimensioinal gameplay and campers. and it happened becuase epic listened to the community and kept changing it to make the most vocal whiners happy and in a sense killed off a lot of its playerbase. Adding features taht make it more halo lake doens't make sense. it won't do halo better then halo does it already and if it turns into halo i'd rather play that instead. as long as this is different i'll play it I've probably played PvP as much as i've Played PvE so far. even with only 2 maps and shadow war (haven't even played shadow war yet)

So let me get this right, you have not played COD and have not played Shadow Wars but try to say things are going to get ruined if they change things? You need to get more time under your belt full circle before disagreeing and making points like that.
Just because epic changed things for GoW because people "whined" for it doesnt mean things get ruined and kill off the player base (which i know didnt happen) On top of that, numbers speak the loudest to Game developers. If the majority wants it - they do it and dont have to worry about upsetting the MAJORITY of the players that asked for it (because its obviously what they wanted)
I have been part of many MMO launches and lived through the rise and fall of them - IMO this game barely fits the category of a true MMO so you have to look at it for what it is - A shooter. So you take that shooting element and tweak and refine it until you got something great.

People are not going to settle for a mediocre shooter that pushes NO limits with the next generation of consoles on the way (reminding you that Defiance was made on a console at the end of their cycle) which leaves PC on a platform that offers MANY MANY MMO (shooter or straight up RPG hyrbids whatever you want) to choose from.
You guys that like the game are not really doing it any favors trying to hold it back from becoming something better than it is now. The majority wont settle with it as is - devs see that and its being addressed.

[Upinya Slayin]

So let me get this right, you have not played COD and have not played Shadow Wars but try to say things are going to get ruined if they change things? You need to get more time under your belt full circle before disagreeing and making points like that.
Just because epic changed things for GoW because people "whined" for it doesnt mean things get ruined and kill off the player base (which i know didnt happen) On top of that, numbers speak the loudest to Game developers. If the majority wants it - they do it and dont have to worry about upsetting the MAJORITY of the players that asked for it (because its obviously what they wanted)
I have been part of many MMO launches and lived through the rise and fall of them - IMO this game barely fits the category of a true MMO so you have to look at it for what it is - A shooter. So you take that shooting element and tweak and refine it until you got something great.

People are not going to settle for a mediocre shooter that pushes NO limits with the next generation of consoles on the way (reminding you that Defiance was made on a console at the end of their cycle) which leaves PC on a platform that offers MANY MANY MMO (shooter or straight up RPG hyrbids whatever you want) to choose from.

I'm not a COD fan. played a little of it at a friends house on his PS3 and didn't like it. I've played proably over 100 hours in PvP TDM. mostly on waterfront. shadow war is laggy and buggy right now and i'll wait for some patches so i can enjoy it. plus i like the smaller teams where more skill and less randomness is involved. having massive 64 on 64 battles sounds fun in theory but not so much to me. I wouldn't mind a CPT, or KoTH game modes thrown in. Halo has taught us there are tons of modes that can be made from a game. regicide, oddball all modes that can be added to defiance and make it better. plus of course maps.

with GoW there was a combo called the 2 piece which was a melle then gnahser shot. the gnasher was so OP that it was the result of 80% of wepaons kills and there are 7 wepoans to choose from. so the buffed teh other wepaons and the gnahser still was OP and like 60% kills but the gnahser people complained and they reverted it. also expliots in the cover system led to wall bouncing and when added with lag compensation led to unblanced crap gameplay. they were working towards making it good and stopped becuase of shining. Trion has built a solid MP and too many changes could ruin it.

also remember that not eveyrone is PC or MMO fans. I've never been into MMOs. I like this game because its alot like borderlands but bigger with a PvP mode and ability to play with more the just 3 friends.

[ItISLupus]

What I don't understand is how does one camp, in let's say shadow war, where the point is to capture and HOLD a point? TDM I could get camping.

When the point is to capture a series of points Domination style people have the right to camp.

[Upinya Slayin]

What I don't understand is how does one camp, in let's say shadow war, where the point is to capture and HOLD a point? TDM I could get camping.

When the point is to capture a series of points Domination style people have the right to camp.

i was referring to TDM only. obviously in capture and hold you have to camp lol

[IAMVILELENT]

Let's be real, people aren't going to spectate that often just to give out positions...I just thought it was funny that was brought up. Vehicle combat in this game would be amazing, it would put more emphasis on some of the vehicle destructive weapons available. Adding MORE to a game as long is it's lore friendly is never a bad thing when the rest of the game is working properly.

[gtr]

Fix the BUGS first and think about this stuff

[mbergeron]

Just give us some new maps and maybe some game editing like what you can do on Team fortress, but everything else isn't needed and will only lead to pointless threads about how this car is broken or the constant farming that would happen with pvp loot. The pvp in the game is fun as is especially with a group of friends. Alot of this stuff would lead to griefing and other terrible internet things that may cause people to leave the game.

[MettiFrags]

i would love to see it all, but mainly have a rating system just like WoW rated arena's that would be amazing and it would keep me on the game for agessssssss