Why Trion will never tell us lockbox chances

[Soobydoo]

No they are not. People think just one more spiin and I will win and other and other they don't know when toquit. Once you win alittle quit then you won. Simple the more you play you will lose. Yo need to know when to quit.

Sorry but as an avid fan of gambling, expected values and all that jazz, slot machines aka 'One armed bandits' are basically legalized theft . I still don't understand why people play them. You'd have better luck just betting on black every time at roulette.

[CidxLucy]

Sorry but as an avid fan of gambling, expected values and all that jazz, slot machines aka 'One armed bandits' are basically legalized theft . I still don't understand why people play them. You'd have better luck just betting on black every time at roulette.

I only play for alittle fun. I don't bet alot or long. I only try slots. I understand where you coming from.

[Soobydoo]

I only play for alittle fun. I don't bet alot or long. I only try slots. I understand where you coming from.

Oh I can completely understand for fun but you really should try some of the other games (and make some money xD). Then again I was addicted to pachinko for quite a while haha. Those bouncing balls are so fun to watch!

[IAMVILELENT]

For the same reasons that casinos don't tell their customers their chances of winning either.

In the end, it is based on chance so even if it was coded with a 50% chance of having an orange item, you could still buy 50 and not get any.

Slot machines are not random. No where does it say they are when you are gambling. They're actually in intervals, partially random, partially embedded, think of it like a tree, the machine has to hit specific outcomes to work its way up the branch to a payout, and resets back down a branch or even back to the beginning after every payout. 1 machine could have BILLIONS of branches though. That's the difference, it makes you THINK it's random, truth is the machines are not random.

The loot boxes from Defiance are somewhat random, but some ARE better then others, but this is not explained at all, the % still should be displayed. As is, it's a dirty/cheap tactic not to display the chances but to display all the purchasable lock boxes as the same thing, just different quantity. The fact an entire community has to make a spread sheet to figure it out should tell you something.

The odds on other games are self explanatory, IE, craps, roulette, etc.

[unchainedt]

You don't have to use real money/bits to get a lockbox

[Valethar]

If they told us how low those odds really are, people would stop buying them with Bits.

[Ryme]

Slot machines are not random. No where does it say they are when you are gambling. They're actually in intervals, partially random, partially embedded, think of it like a tree, the machine has to hit specific outcomes to work its way up the branch to a payout, and resets back down a branch or even back to the beginning after every payout. 1 machine could have BILLIONS of branches though. That's the difference, it makes you THINK it's random, truth is the machines are not random.

The loot boxes from Defiance are somewhat random, but some ARE better then others, but this is not explained at all, the % still should be displayed. As is, it's a dirty/cheap tactic not to display the chances but to display all the purchasable lock boxes as the same thing, just different quantity. The fact an entire community has to make a spread sheet to figure it out should tell you something.

The odds on other games are self explanatory, IE, craps, roulette, etc.

The point being it is not the Devs/Casinos that give you the information, someone else figured it out and explained them, just like other people have done with the loot boxes. Even your knowledge of how slot machines work comes from someone else and not a placard mounted to the machine by the Casinos. I'm sure someone somewhere could data-mine the exact number somehow, but it still wouldn't be the Devs telling you what the %'s are, it would be someone else who figured it out and released the information.

[IAMVILELENT]

Let's also not forget to factor in the fact, that lock boxes purchased with bits, can have completely different results from those purchased with resources, if they disclosed that I'm sure it would piss a lot of people off.

[IAMVILELENT]

The point being it is not the Devs/Casinos that give you the information, someone else figured it out and explained them, just like other people have done with the loot boxes. Even your knowledge of how slot machines work comes from someone else and not a placard mounted to the machine by the Casinos. I'm sure someone somewhere could data-mine the exact number somehow, but it still wouldn't be the Devs telling you what the %'s are, it would be someone else who figured it out and released the information.

Casinos give you the odds on every game you play, it's illegal for them not too. Slot machines however are in no way advertised as random, therefor they don't have to say anything about them.

[Skulley]

Also, the pricing of the Outfits, Helmets, Vehicles, Everything in the Defiance store; is strategically priced so that you have to buy more than you need. For example, the Outfit "Renegade" is priced at 880. The packs that you purchase all end in `00.' This means that you are forced to buy more than you need. This is clearly a scam; I hope I'm not the only one seeing it.

For people who might still not understand.. You pay 880 bits, to do so you have to buy 3 packs of 400 bits. It is strategically set up that way so you buy more of the bits, It's immoral and clearly a ripoff.