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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutlass Jack View Post
    My feeling is Some players never learn and every MMO rush to the Endgame thats never there at launch.
    Amen. I just accept that most players want to babysi their short attentive span and that every comapny will fail their made up 'needs' No one can sate immaturity.
    PS4 Tea Realmreaver and Realmreaver 360: was Elric-zwo; Kastíthanu nevitso haryo banggos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiter View Post
    East commons tunnel, anywhere between the three(?) torches. West commons was the other zone that had Griffons and Befallen (the pre-Guk zone, had three levels)...also lead to Kithcor forest (remember the night time running? Hated it, even when I got to 65 and stopped playing the game way back when...still got Harm Touched many,many times running my *** off from one end to the other and almost died).
    Kithicor scared me the first few times, people warned me I'd be KoS behind a human, except I was neutral so no probs :P

    I remember sneaking out to the first toll booth, and the oasis. still remember the first time i found the PoK book in freeport, and my first trips to luclin. so much nostalgia
    Your Challenger won't drive? You're probably in the passenger seat.
    Can't sell/delete an item? Check all of your loadouts, it's likely still equipped.
    Auction house? Why? It'll just render bits purchased lock boxes pointless, and weapons are mostly equal anyway.
    Gear/enemy progression? No thanks, it'll only render 90% of the content trivial when you reach the highest zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeus9 View Post
    Lets give them thier due... thanks to wow.. no one makes the hard mmos like eq1 etc anymore. Now everything is dumbed down, bland and hardly any stories... at least not like they had back in the day.
    So support the few and accept little money or accept the many playstyle get alot of money and ignore people crying about it not being hard enough? Seriously before LFr in wow they said maybe 3% got to enjoy end game content. You really think the devs are stupid enough to support ONLY that 3%. Um nope. I mean you want hardcore they should just make certain arkfalls instanced and allow clans to go beat mobs twice the level end game content is now for some unique colored rewards and call it a day. There is not enough hardcore to cater to them.
    PS4 Tea Realmreaver and Realmreaver 360: was Elric-zwo; Kastíthanu nevitso haryo banggos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynical Jester View Post
    One thing I love about this game that really has nothing to do with the game... I see so many old EQ players here!! Means I'm in the right place!..

    Also, I was a Wizard on Firiona Vie for the very reasons you mentioned... It was well.. Profitable to say the least and convenient ... Made lots of cleric friends =p..

    Eventually EverQuest felt the impact WoW was having and tried to cater to the same style of players... The very reason I left.

    I see Defiance and EQ Next in my future for the long haul.. Use to be UT99 and EQ...

    EQ Question: Who remembers that old cave between those plains where people use to sit and trade.. I think we called it the commons or something.. west commons? I don't remember.. Been so long
    East commons was the area before the cave that would take player to the desert of ro used for trading in the old days. Started EQ with Lucien and played a Vah Shir bard on Fennen Ro named Realmreaver.
    PS4 Tea Realmreaver and Realmreaver 360: was Elric-zwo; Kastíthanu nevitso haryo banggos.

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    SWTOR had raids....and it was still bad.

    As for scaling AI difficulty depending on various player attributes: It's a great idea. But right now I feel as if the AI DPS is OP as shtako; mainly Raiders.

    I have a 1700 capacity shield with a 40% recharge rate at 2.5 seconds - and I still get owned by a mob of raiders 70% of the time.

    BUT I can live with this because it makes it so I actually have to dodge and run around for a couple of minutes rather than just standing there and annihilating all baddies in a matter of seconds.

    But I have absolutely no problem with survivability in a co-op game or doing random emergencies with one or two other peoples, so I would say scale those instances.

    I'm also a narwhal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumbleskin View Post
    You cant just luanch a MMO and not have raids as endgame. Dailys are not and never will be endgame. 9 out of 10 failed MMO's would still be running and making money with subs if they had just remembered this one little rule.

    No Raids no players

    (casuals never have and never will make a winning MMO)
    Seriously? I quit playing MMO’s for years because of raids and in WOW I was a key member of one of the top raid guilds on our server when doing the top dungeons were a lot harder than today. No raids are exactly what I want and why I’m playing this game. I would never argue individual players preference on this; however I would argue your arsine assumption that raids are what ALL or the majority of players want.

    It is more reasonable to argue the lower player base is due to the many bugs at launch which caused the across board poor reviews by professional reviewers. I personally love the game, yet I would like to see more incoming content in the near future. If raids become the endgame in Defiance I will definitely stop playing it.

    I have no desire to do the tank, healer, dps raid crap with 25 plus people ever again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryctic View Post
    Pretty much my thoughts. ^
    you and me both XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malachi View Post
    What on earth are you smoking? WoW is entirely catered to casuals and is the most successful MMO in history. And don't give me that "Vanilla WoW was hardcore" argument, because Vanilla WoW is for pansies compared to EverQuest (it's only competition when WoW released).
    Not only WoW, but City of Heroes as well. As a matter of fact, CoH launched April 2004 (WoW in November 2004) and catered purely to casuals before Blizzard actually entered the market. Meanwhile Everquest 2 was more hardcore by design when it launched (a week or so before WoW), and it completely failed to gain significant traction heading into 2005. Vanguard, another hardcore MMO by its own marketing, failed to gain any traction. If hardcore players drive a game's success, than EQ2 should have eventually pulled ahead of WoW in 2005, before SOE changed the game to be more casual in a hope of grabbing WoW's players.

    But guess what? City of Heroes lasted 8 years. And lasted 7 years before it even touched the free-to-play option. Which is even more substantial, considering that superheroes have, and always will be, a niche market (and I say this as someone who writes them as part of his living).

    Vanilla-WoW was harder than today's WoW, sure. But even Blizzard said that the changes happened because less than 10% of their playerbase was actually seeing/running that hard content. It was a waste of development resources in the long run. That means, by their datamining, that 90% or more of WoW players were not the hardcore raiders.

    Hardcores have not significantly sustained an MMO for almost a decade. What made MMOs fail in the past several years (AoC, WAR, Aion, DCUO, SWTOR, et cetera) was not whether it was casual or hardcore, but the layers of MMO design they blatantly missed just to rush a product to market.

    The main problem is that an MMO cannot compete with the market as it was in 2004. It must compete with the market as it is in the year it launches. While the hardcore fans of any MMO can forum-defend it with: "Well, game-x didn't have those features or content at launch," the argument is invalid when looking at consumer expectations and market share. New MMOs have the deck stacked against them because they have to compete with the older MMO as they stand at the time the new game launches.

    That is also a major reason why no recent MMO has been able to touch WoW's market share, and a vast majority of them are in free-to-play hybrid mode just to survive. The required investment is prohibitive to launch an MMO that could compete with the content and features of a 2013 MMO market. But yet, it must be competitive!

    Yes, it was much easier in 2003 or 2004, when there were barely a handful of MMOs out there and the market was much smaller. This isn't 2003 or 2004, though, and the market is much, much larger. You can't launch a shallow content game, never mind a shallow content bug ridden game, and expect to retain players at launch. Not with as wide as the market is, and the sheer number of MMO options out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisberg View Post
    In fact, you do not need Gear progression to makes thing more difficult/challenging, Gear progression is just a gating mechanism and is completely independent of difficulty. Difficulty/challenge is made by the design of the encounter itself.
    They go hand in hand really.

    For instance you fight whatever Mini Boss in whatever MMO, said boss does an attack that does X amount of DMG unless you either;

    A: Have enough HP to take the hit and still live. (Gear Progression on both you and your group's Healer)
    B: Avoid the attack completely by Dodging or Interrupting the attack. (You and your groups Player Skill plays into this)
    C: Use an Ability or Perk to reduce or avoid the DMG. (Character/Class Progression for you and your group)

    Sure you can do the content in White Level 1 (starter) gear if you want with no Training, Talents or Perks. However that would just make it insanely hard for no reason other then bragging rights. Ideally you want a balance of all three for a successful PvE encounter, however I've yet to see anything "difficult" in Defiance.

    That's just my view on it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuikFoX3a View Post
    They go hand in hand really.

    For instance you fight whatever Mini Boss in whatever MMO, said boss does an attack that does X amount of DMG unless you either;
    player hp+gear/level creep < boss dmg+gear/level creep compensation is pretty much the simplest formula for it, especially when you assume gear/level creep = gear/level creep compensation

    In most MMORPG i've played, the creep is so massive that even the weakest thing in current content will 1-shot you, and that is certainly what's appealing about Defiance, in theory.

    In practice, we'd like a challenge. While it's great that many people can come in and appreciate the game regardless of skill and time played/gear acquired, many of us find it very trivial.
    Your Challenger won't drive? You're probably in the passenger seat.
    Can't sell/delete an item? Check all of your loadouts, it's likely still equipped.
    Auction house? Why? It'll just render bits purchased lock boxes pointless, and weapons are mostly equal anyway.
    Gear/enemy progression? No thanks, it'll only render 90% of the content trivial when you reach the highest zone.

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