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  1. #81
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    Thanks for the server update. It was maybe fortunate on my part that I didn't have time this morning to grind through things although I am saddened to see that others have and are probably going to pay for their diligence with a rollback on their achievements. Alas, it is the way these things tend to work early on in the game release process with any massively multiplayer online game. Here's hoping that the dev team can isolate whatever caused the need to shut things down so abruptly and that the losses for those who grinded aren't too great.

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    If they can roll back servers prior to patch, i would be happy to at least get back my most recent reset time grinding in the last few days. I know some have made this suggestion, build a patch and have a test server that is not connected to main servers to test patches. I would be willing to create a character to play regularly on the test server and report issues. In return, Trion can give those testers some boosts or bits for the normal game. What i don't want is to be a guinea pig for these patch updates that burn away my hours of grinding and exploring in my main game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldDirtyGamer View Post
    Thanks for the server update. It was maybe fortunate on my part that I didn't have time this morning to grind through things although I am saddened to see that others have and are probably going to pay for their diligence with a rollback on their achievements. Alas, it is the way these things tend to work early on in the game release process with any massively multiplayer online game. Here's hoping that the dev team can isolate whatever caused the need to shut things down so abruptly and that the losses for those who grinded aren't too great.
    Yeah I'm glad that I was away at a Doctor's Appt as well.
    Though I was already wary of what would happen anyway and would probably wait at least 48 hours before even starting it up after the patch.

  4. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotQuiteWhiteKnight View Post
    I have been "that" person to defend Trion to clanmates, my kids and my friends. I told them to be patient and that things would get fixed. Well I have never been more wrong. I see that Trion is making more money with over priced trucks and more outfits in the Defiance store, great...! In the meanwhile, I played this morning and had 4000/5000 assault rifle kills, 11/50 Cerberus kills, could not get the "Thats all i got" data recorder, after patch 36/5000 for assault rifles 0/50 for Cerberus and yes, still can not get "Thats all I got data recorder. I have spent way too much money ($200+) on this game and way too much time working towards pursuits for them to be uncompletable or reset...simply too much time. The reseting is be far the most frustrasting game issue. The lag I can be lived with in an arkfall with 100+ people, but the contracts and pursuits, which are the only thing left after completing the story and side quests, must work. I refuse to play another hour only to have it lost from another reset. I lived with the arkfall reset issue which seems fixed now only to lose something else. The best part is that the only real info I seem to get is from other players. i.e cluster grenades glitching score boards, etc... Please fix the pursuits/contracts.
    I would really recommend going to Trionworlds.com. live chat support. I had all your problems and some, visited the support, waited in queue for an hour or so. Once connected with GM all issues were solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baelrusk View Post
    Yeah Gabryal
    You rock.
    It's similar to me even.

    only no military service or beta test on my end.
    Ironically I found the BETA to have less bugs and be more stable at least to the point that it was completed

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabryal View Post
    You know, I've been a stalwart defender of Trion since launch. I've encouraged people to be patient, I've done my part. I've found exploits and reported them, I've found bugs and reported them, I've done things to help Trion out. This was done in the belief there would be something of quid pro quo in return. I assume there is going to be some sort of fix, I depressingly expect ( as there has been before ) an ETA released that will say something like " 5 hours " and then have it extended to " 9 hours " then find out I had a 24 hour roll back to deal with. So let's review what I lost as a result of this problem.

    3923 Sniper Kills
    2703 Combat Shotgun Kills
    918 Major Arkfall Kills ( after a reset over 700 that I accepted once already, and likely have accepted more than once until I actively started keeping track when I started looking for the pursuit )
    44,000+ kills For living to kill 5

    I'm deeply glad I had already finished the Assault Rifle Kills and LMG kills

    Now let's see what I'll lose with a roll back of 24 hours

    about 500 kills in Combat Shotguns
    3-4 levels in Combat shotguns
    3-4 levels in sawed off shotguns
    3 levels in SMG
    2 levels in BMG
    3 EGO levels

    So essentially this is a lose for me no matter what, even if we didn't take into account the downtime that may or may not happen, but seems likely due to the track record, of 5 to 9 hours, and the loss of advancement that could take place in that time.

    Now for some people 60 dollars isn't a relatively a lot of money, that's fine, and I don't begrudge them that, however without going into my life story I'm on a fixed income from my military service due to being disabled. I had to deeply research my financial situation before I decided to buy the game, because after participating in the beta, I decided that for a continued source of therapeutic recreation ( I am unable to walk or travel easily anymore, again due to my disability ) that I could enjoy from my home. My physical therapist as well as my psychologist both agreed with my assertion and after all of this, I decided to budget and then buy this game. Now not everyone has had to go through that much rigorous thought in purchasing this game, and I am not attempting to create a false lack of equivalency between myself and those people, I am attempting to explain to the degree that some members of the Defiance community have gone to, a small minority perhaps, in order to become part of that community.

    The point of the lengthy and perhaps dull paragraph above is this. I have no doubt that there are people who are literally wealthy by accident of birth, and are outraged based on principle all the way down the spectrum to people who bought this game under situations even more severe than myself. Trion must of course treat all of these customers in the same way, with the same respect, and to the same level of competence. It should be spelled out, exactly, for the benefit of the community and Trion itself, that you must look directly at your customers and read and understand who your customers are, and face the reality that we the community do exist and are members for a variety of reasons but I no longer am able to stand behind the veil and grant Trion the right to not know the sheer amount of distress, anger, sorrow, and pain that the continued release of patches that continue to cause distress, anger, sorrow and pain over and over again they inflict upon the community of Defiance.

    Simply put, I no longer feel that Trion should not feel free of guilt and shame at their mistakes, which I can no longer defend for them. The community of Defiance deserves better, much better, and promises of learning from past mistakes have in my mind have been proven false. My patience, considered by many to be one of my greatest virtues, has run out.

    I am sorry, but I feel I have lived up to my end of the unspoken bargain between Trion and myself, not as client and service provider, but as community member and community provider, in the same way as someone who rents a property in the physical world would be under the expectation that the land owner would maintain that property and not let it fall into a state of continual disrepair. If the analogy of the rental property were to be applied to Trion, the laws of the United States would certainly side with any renter in a civil matter, and depending on the state of disrepair might even be subject to criminal charges.

    Of course no such laws apply to the virtual world of Defiance, and so the staff of Trion is not subject to any such constrictions, but I think it is telling that if they were selling a physical world and not a virtual world they would not only be subject to civil liability under the law, but possibly criminal liability. I hope that thought dwells upon the Trion staff more than I have a feeling it does, but I want to hammer this point home to the Trion Staff.

    Just because you're selling a virtual product and not a physical one, does not make you morally superior in any way than a person who under the latter case would be considered a criminal. Your legal standing may protect you from the fate of your physical world counterpart, but it does not protect you from the moral state of that same counterpart.
    I agree with just about everything you stated. Just wish people would stop saying it's a $60 game. I spent the $150 so perhaps that's my fault. I don't expect miracles, just would like things to work. Like stats not resetting and keeping the correct track in stats/progress towards the game. The RED costume and hellbug hat were set to me just the other day by claim box which was great but certain stats have not been progressing as they should and usually get reset or bumped back to your last games kills/assists ie Shadow Wars, Obersevatory. Hopefully this is or will all get corrected and I can move on soon.

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    Senior Member RoDi 117's Avatar
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    stop crying about resets, live chat has helped me repeatedly with my resets and corrected them ( i only contacted live chat when i was sure that i had done the amount needed), they fixed all of my PVP and Kills and have come across 2 more which need fixing which i will contact them about in due time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bar6arian View Post
    I agree with just about everything you stated. Just wish people would stop saying it's a $60 game. I spent the $150 so perhaps that's my fault. I don't expect miracles, just would like things to work. Like stats not resetting and keeping the correct track in stats/progress towards the game. The RED costume and hellbug hat were set to me just the other day by claim box which was great but certain stats have not been progressing as they should and usually get reset or bumped back to your last games kills/assists ie Shadow Wars, Obersevatory. Hopefully this is or will all get corrected and I can move on soon.
    You are quite correct I should start referring to it as " at least 60 dollars " to keep it as accurate as possible. My condolences.

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    Just talk to live chat and have them correct it. Its not that hard.

    If you were 1k kills away from finishing with (insert gun here) just get to 1k and then get in touch with them... they can verify your kills and get you credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabryal View Post
    Ironically I found the BETA to have less bugs and be more stable at least to the point that it was completed
    As pathetic as it sounds for Trion........I can believe that.

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