A few words to Trion...

[cerberouse]

No no guys i get it, when he says thirty years he means thirty days, that makes much more scense! Honest to god when WoW first came out Blackwing lair was broken FOR TWO AND A HALF MONTHS on my shard. We litterally couldn't even get into the instance and they constantly said they were working on it.

The seven or so MMOs listed above me in the previous post are also exceptional examples of games that were released that were buggy as balls, and if you're complaining about cutscenes, yeah, go play SWKOTOR or what ever it's called, that game is litteraly one long cutscene! I litteraly watched Jesse Cox play through the Sith inquisitor storyline and it was all cutscenes, even he critisized it for this and mentioned only snippets of play bettwen them.

As for "It should be good on release", you're joking yourself. Heck, how buggy was Skyrim, a single player game on release? They litteraly had to patch it douzens of times after you payed a full sixty bucks for it! sounds familiar? And this is an MMO, as well as some-what ground breaking as their arn't to many OTPS s out their to, as you say it, "pull ideas that already work from". What, do you want big ore nodes in the middle of Mount Tam for your character to swing a pick axe at with a redundant animation because the crafting in WoW was a "Good idea"?(which it wasn't)

Long post short, this thread is just a bellybutton, it's someones personal opinion, we all have one, you're just flashing yours at us and trying to say it's the same for everyone. (that analogy makes little to no sense xD)

[Fatalmephisto]

Stopped reading. If you have 30 years of experience you would know not to compare a new released game to WoW, coincidentally WoW had a travesty of a launch in and of its self but with 30 years of gaming background you would know this. I am not hopping on the fanboi bandwagon but I am tired of all the down time just as much as the next person. I am just tired of people comparing all new launched games to WoW.

Yes this game has its issues, lots and lots and lots of glaring issues but lets stop comparing this games launch to an 8 year old juggernaut of a game. Not to mention said game is and has been in decline the last few years. This is not new or breaking news to any of us in the community, especially not to someone with such a diverse and illustrious gaming background as yourself.

In a nut shell, I agree with some of your points as I was curious and re-read your whole post but I have to call you a troll for even bringing up WoW. WoW is a completely different game, stylistically, mechanically, and technologically. There is no basis for comparison between this game and WoW other than genre, and I would hesitate to call this game a "Massivly" Multiplayer Online game as 100 people per shard is hardly massive.

Now, on to my post.

Trion I get that there is emergency maintenance and I would rather you get on it sooner that later. I am sure most of us in the community feel a little warning goes a long way. A forced message across the server would have been nice. A lot of people don't have twitter, nor do they keep a twitter feed going constantly while playing. A warning on social media isn't going to get to your players that are playing the game that need to be warned. Stop using Twitter for server messages. Twitter is not an MMO. (wait yeah it is, lots of people trolling each other) I use twitter my self but as stated earlier I do not keep a twitter feed open while playing as its only on my phone and not my computer.

Point two. I have no conception of how I can drive my car through a bug that is easily the size of my car but yet a 55 gallon oil drum with a tiny fire in it is going to stop my car in its tracks, kind of annoying.

Point 3. Drop rates are terribad in game. Lots of whites and greens, I can honestly say I am ego 378 (i think) and I have only ever seen 1 blue drop on this character. My other toon has only seen maybe 3 blues drop and he is ego 626. Do the Overcharge perks that increase loot drops, do they increase drop rarity or drop rate? Those are two completely different things and the perk its self is pretty vague from what I read.

At any rate keep up the good work with the maintenance, would rather the game work correctly than not at all.

Yeah when i see people (No Offense OP) comparing this game to WOW it drives me nuts. Adding stuff from a game such as WoW that makes those features work and work extremely well. May never work in a game such as Defiance. How would raids work and what will convince people to do them? Until they add weapon progression to match your Ego Rank, no one will want to do them. Unless there is a chance for a legendary to drop off the final boss. Even that won't get many people to do them. People need to understand that this isn't a WOW clone or anything like the sort. It's a Third Person Shooter MMO. They will add the features that will fit into the game but don't expect the game to feel or play like WOW at all. You will sadly be disappointed.

[Jesterious]

Stopped reading. If you have 30 years of experience you would know not to compare a new released game to WoW, coincidentally WoW had a travesty of a launch in and of its self but with 30 years of gaming background you would know this. I am not hopping on the fanboi bandwagon but I am tired of all the down time just as much as the next person. I am just tired of people comparing all new launched games to WoW.

Yes this game has its issues, lots and lots and lots of glaring issues but lets stop comparing this games launch to an 8 year old juggernaut of a game. Not to mention said game is and has been in decline the last few years. This is not new or breaking news to any of us in the community, especially not to someone with such a diverse and illustrious gaming background as yourself.

In a nut shell, I agree with some of your points as I was curious and re-read your whole post but I have to call you a troll for even bringing up WoW. WoW is a completely different game, stylistically, mechanically, and technologically. There is no basis for comparison between this game and WoW other than genre, and I would hesitate to call this game a "Massivly" Multiplayer Online game as 100 people per shard is hardly massive.

Now, on to my post.

Trion I get that there is emergency maintenance and I would rather you get on it sooner that later. I am sure most of us in the community feel a little warning goes a long way. A forced message across the server would have been nice. A lot of people don't have twitter, nor do they keep a twitter feed going constantly while playing. A warning on social media isn't going to get to your players that are playing the game that need to be warned. Stop using Twitter for server messages. Twitter is not an MMO. (wait yeah it is, lots of people trolling each other) I use twitter my self but as stated earlier I do not keep a twitter feed open while playing as its only on my phone and not my computer.

Point 1). I have no conception of how I can drive my car through a bug that is easily the size of my car but yet a 55 gallon oil drum with a tiny fire in it is going to stop my car in its tracks, kind of annoying.

Point 2). Drop rates are terribad in game. Lots of whites and greens, I can honestly say I am ego 378 (i think) and I have only ever seen 1 blue drop on this character. My other toon has only seen maybe 3 blues drop and he is ego 626. Do the Overcharge perks that increase loot drops, do they increase drop rarity or drop rate? Those are two completely different things and the perk its self is pretty vague from what I read.

At any rate keep up the good work with the maintenance, would rather the game work correctly than not at all.

Just wanted to give my two cents on the second point. I think they have it that way on purpose just to push boosts, which in and of itself is another discussion entirely. I see the game being handled rather poorly in a lot of areas but I'm gonna stick around awhile longer to see what happens, they already got my money and then some.

But I will say that if things don't start looking up and soon, I'm gonna have to start voting with my wallet. What else can ya do right? O wait, there is always disputing the charges, but we all know what road that leads down.

[Rand1701]

I'm not comparing Defiance to WoW, as a game. I'm talking about the customer experience. For instance, if Defiance had server buttons, like the WoW home page, I wouldn't have to keep checking the sever forum page to tell if the server was back up. I'm saying look at how other games are doing it right. No need to make the same "rookie" mistakes all over again.

And start your own posts. =P

[BimboBomber]

I doubt you have finished all of the original pursuits already... -_- I'm ego rating 2,381 and still have a bit to do... there is just no way. Because I literally work on them daily. However the new event ones can easily be done in a couple hours maybe less. Which doesnt really bother me. The main story mission also arent as difficult as some side missions. I'm getting ready to have beaten the game 3 times. I find there is alot more to do on the game than just simply get to the "end" of the current story portion. If you look at everything else I feel there is quite a bit of content and plenty of fun things to do.

[Flash222]

On 6 August 1991, the World Wide Web became publicly available. Impressive you have played MMO's for 30 years!

[xirtam]

DLC mega wish list
- major dark matter ark fall with monolith boss, with Cerberus and advance weapon spawn points.
- major raider, mutant, 99er falls
-new playable races add visual changes w/o having to make anew character.
- new enemies
- new stories, one where tork dies sad. then we get roxi, tork who? XD
-death race dlc with customizable vehicles i.e.; weapons, armor, boost,(possibly a medium complexity tuning system) maybe vehicle powers offensive defensive. more land vehicles motocross, cars 4 seated charger, buggies, 4X4s, semi with trailer like death race 0.o and maybe a tank XD. random check point races, set course races, demolition derby. visible vehicle deterioration. introduce a gas system where you can fuel up from barrels or stations free, and add a 50scrip charge to teleportation. remove the bouncing off small enemies when ramming and just have it throw them or do a run over mechanic. add flips to ATV. ability to hold break and rev engine. ability to let some one else drive when you get in passenger. trade and sell vehicles, parts, and mods.
- lower the salvage cost of things or add harvestable loot boxes for scrap & scrip, and add an expensive option to save gun and mods
-personal, group, and clan temporary buyable assets, like call in echelon mercs 4,8,12, bio man, mortar strike, ammo, advanced weapon airdrop, dm drop shields, pheromone grenades, phase in temp cover etc.
- clan assets with permissions, keep the current chain of command ranks, but add a separate clan rank
based on contribution shown on screen by symbol.
- clan leader boards with kills, scrip, level, rank, pursuits completed, contract, etc.. scores removable by leader
-a upgradable and customizable clan base with items bank, training areas, meeting hall , special vendors, etc.
-clan identification tattoos, patches, weapon and or outfit color schemes etc.
-economics system with a pvp world mode where players compete to harvest resources, like gulanite crystals, hell bug hides, petro haul, scrap metal. quests like mercenary, convoy, sabotage, VIP transport etc.. adjustable clan pool percent from profits with dividends.
- flying vehicles, and floating terra levels, flying monsters, stovl jets, transport, scout, and attack Helicopters, osprey like thing, hover fortress etc.
- a multi island dlc with boats and under water submarine caverns with a variety of sea monsters, release the kraken! ooooh and maybe a volcano boss.
-increase level cap to over 9000!aaaaaaaaaaaa and a black beyond rarity
- advanced abilities like multi decoy;self explanatory , rampage overcharge;like nims final glow with slight health regeneration, phantom; longer cloak with a fading effect at the end, flash blur; increased speed ability to sonic charge melee. perks like explosive decoy dmg, reticle flare delay on overcharge, chameleon when standing still, blur melee chance to ignore shields, more defensive perks, more health, etc. and maybe new powers
-multiplayer for newbs without advanced powers.
- new dances and emotes that aren't lame
-evolved weapons through emc, endogen, or ark ultimate think packapunch with 3 levels
- melee weapons like the energy dagger for a quick melee and hold to extend and enter melee mode like the castithan guy did in episode 4, to switch back tap ADS trigger.
-terraforming gun advanced weapon, new Nano effects, quick detonating smoke grenades, rail gun advanced, charge weapons, energy bows, very low effect chance bmgs like .001, land mines, burst winter grenades,c4 single and multiples, revolvers, more mod slots for lasers, under barrel gl and w/e, slow medium dmg limited range tow rockets that r shootable out of the air, prone ability ya i know snipers but still, 50 cal. sniper, long sniper lower drop off, slight bullet arcing on all guns.
-cool finishers on low health enemies
- weather to go with the seasons in real life
-giant king of the hill, competitive ark falls, more tdm maps.....
-more outfit options arms,legs,head,torso,feet,hands
-things I'd like to see for outfits some capes, bio man blue bulk suit, more high grade looking stuff like armor no cargo pants and mechanic tees, a bleach white torn cloth sniper ghille called ghost, a real hellbug type costume NO MOR CAPS TRION THESE ARE THE LAST AND ONLY ONES IM USING!!!!!! sorry lost my composure
-quests for people like law keeper catch thieves, or calm a prison riot, etc. + new characters to do them for
-clan list with limited scroll and option to load more names, also a less sensitive player search with multiple results.
- finally a town or two with AI doing stuff like celebrating alien religious stuff, eating, their weird dancing XD

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[cerberouse]

Sweet mother of Hades what the hell is that?! ^

[BimboBomber]

Sweet mother of Hades what the hell is that?! ^

A hot mess.

[Jesterious]

DLC mega wish list
- major dark matter ark fall with monolith boss, with Cerberus and advance weapon spawn points.
- major raider, mutant, 99er falls
-new playable races add visual changes w/o having to make anew character.
- new enemies
- new stories, one where tork dies sad. then we get roxi, tork who? XD
-death race dlc with customizable vehicles i.e.; weapons, armor, boost,(possibly a medium complexity tuning system) maybe vehicle powers offensive defensive. more land vehicles motocross, cars 4 seated charger, buggies, 4X4s, semi with trailer like death race 0.o and maybe a tank XD. random check point races, set course races, demolition derby. visible vehicle deterioration. introduce a gas system where you can fuel up from barrels or stations free, and add a 50scrip charge to teleportation. remove the bouncing off small enemies when ramming and just have it throw them or do a run over mechanic. add flips to ATV. ability to hold break and rev engine. ability to let some one else drive when you get in passenger. trade and sell vehicles, parts, and mods.
- lower the salvage cost of things or add harvestable loot boxes for scrap & scrip, and add an expensive option to save gun and mods
-personal, group, and clan temporary buyable assets, like call in echelon mercs 4,8,12, bio man, mortar strike, ammo, advanced weapon airdrop, dm drop shields, pheromone grenades, phase in temp cover etc.
- clan assets with permissions, keep the current chain of command ranks, but add a separate clan rank
based on contribution shown on screen by symbol.
- clan leader boards with kills, scrip, level, rank, pursuits completed, contract, etc.. scores removable by leader
-a upgradable and customizable clan base with items bank, training areas, meeting hall , special vendors, etc.
-clan identification tattoos, patches, weapon and or outfit color schemes etc.
-economics system with a pvp world mode where players compete to harvest resources, like gulanite crystals, hell bug hides, petro haul, scrap metal. quests like mercenary, convoy, sabotage, VIP transport etc.. adjustable clan pool percent from profits with dividends.
- flying vehicles, and floating terra levels, flying monsters, stovl jets, transport, scout, and attack Helicopters, osprey like thing, hover fortress etc.
- a multi island dlc with boats and under water submarine caverns with a variety of sea monsters, release the kraken! ooooh and maybe a volcano boss.
-increase level cap to over 9000!aaaaaaaaaaaa and a black beyond rarity
- advanced abilities like multi decoy;self explanatory , rampage overcharge;like nims final glow with slight health regeneration, phantom; longer cloak with a fading effect at the end, flash blur; increased speed ability to sonic charge melee. perks like explosive decoy dmg, reticle flare delay on overcharge, chameleon when standing still, blur melee chance to ignore shields, more defensive perks, more health, etc. and maybe new powers
-multiplayer for newbs without advanced powers.
- new dances and emotes that aren't lame
-evolved weapons through emc, endogen, or ark ultimate think packapunch with 3 levels
- melee weapons like the energy dagger for a quick melee and hold to extend and enter melee mode like the castithan guy did in episode 4, to switch back tap ADS trigger.
-terraforming gun advanced weapon, new Nano effects, quick detonating smoke grenades, rail gun advanced, charge weapons, energy bows, very low effect chance bmgs like .001, land mines, burst winter grenades,c4 single and multiples, revolvers, more mod slots for lasers, under barrel gl and w/e, slow medium dmg limited range tow rockets that r shootable out of the air, prone ability ya i know snipers but still, 50 cal. sniper, long sniper lower drop off, slight bullet arcing on all guns.
-cool finishers on low health enemies
- weather to go with the seasons in real life
-giant king of the hill, competitive ark falls, more tdm maps.....
-more outfit options arms,legs,head,torso,feet,hands
-things I'd like to see for outfits some capes, bio man blue bulk suit, more high grade looking stuff like armor no cargo pants and mechanic tees, a bleach white torn cloth sniper ghille called ghost, a real hellbug type costume NO MOR CAPS TRION THESE ARE THE LAST AND ONLY ONES IM USING!!!!!! sorry lost my composure
-quests for people like law keeper catch thieves, or calm a prison riot, etc. + new characters to do them for
-clan list with limited scroll and option to load more names, also a less sensitive player search with multiple results.
- finally a town or two with AI doing stuff like celebrating alien religious stuff, eating, their weird dancing XD

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Pretty sure this belongs in the suggestions section.