Yeah, Irisa and Amanda were there with guns, too. And more than 3 shots were fired.Originally Posted by fatoldguy
Yeah, Irisa and Amanda were there with guns, too. And more than 3 shots were fired.
Defiance was for all purposes "The End" of the war.Finally, the Defiance movement was not all encompassing in the military. That is evident by Nolan's comment to the old lawkeeper about his, the lawkeeper's, unit being in it till the end. From that it is safe to assume that some unit's fought until the ceasefire was called.
Battle of Defiance: Dec 23 2030.
Pale Wars Armistice is fully Ratified by all sides: April 2031.
Not a cease fire, but the full end of the war paper work from all sides. It also includes the fact that word of the Battle of Defiance has to spread, and things like the Internet and 24/7 news doesn't exist as a thing since the terraformers messed up the planet in Jan of 2030.
Here is how fast things moved...
http://defiancenews.tumblr.com/post/...n-confidential
Hitler and Stalin also signed a peace treaty, both were preparing for war against one another. In fact it is even beyond insane if Russia had won when you think about it. They would be all over Europe and in all likely hood it would have trumped the atrocities committed by the **** regime by a large if not huge margin. Really a scary and wicked time, how people got be manipulated and how millions could disappear with propaganda making people never raising a question. Why it is important that the internet stays free and ****ty plans in both the US and the EU to get more control are shot down. The fact that chinese, russians, europeans and americans communicate over the internet and with that generation growing it becomes hard to pull the trigger on one another.
What I learned form the episode 4 is, that the mayor is an idiot.
She doesn't want E-Rep to build a railway through Defiance that would be very helpful for Defiance in a peaceful way, but she has no problem with the VC selling weapons to the mafia boss of Defiance.
She puts the biggest criminal in Defiance into the city council. Right, that's a sensible thing to do.
The game and the TV series show E-Rep as something bad, but the VC obviously acts against humans and tries to get as much influence and power as possible and nobody cares.
VC only sells the weapons to the Votan gansterboss of Defiance. If the lawkeeper of Defiance sizes the weapons they threaten to stop the weapon supply. Obviously they don't want to sell weapons to Defiance, they want to give weapons to the Votan with the biggest influence in Defiance. The VC isn't interested in the independence or safety of Defiance, they are interested in increasing the influence of the Votans in Defiance.
They sell weapons to the one who ignores the laws of Defiance and wants to use of Votan law.
The mayor and the city council are stupid to allow something like that to happen.
The VC has "ambassadors" all over the planet that influence the population in favor of the VC.
In earth history we had something like that more than enough to know how this will end. Settlers with more advanced technology moving "peacefully" to a new area, start trading with the natives and soon after that the natives are killed or driven into reservations or used as slaves (or if they are lucky they are simply turned into powerless consumers, if needed into drug addicts and if the natives ban drug trading a nice war will reestablish that).
The VC is on the track of doing exactly the same.
If it's only one E-rep soldier he/she (didn't look it up) is probably a deserter.
What is this? I don't even...
What we learned Episode 4
Mayor Amanda hits like a girl!
Oh Julie come on, at least try! You grew up during war, this isn't Rodeo Drive. My money is Stahma throws a meaner punch.
An in 1986 11 years after the end of the Nam War I was serving with Nam Vet. Desert storm had smaller number of boots on the ground as compare to Pale Wars. Also early you stated the whole army mutiny, when lore says one unit/location mutinied.
Older and Slower than you.
That's very much a possibility. :P
At least E-rep will be represented in some form, even if it's a deserter. I want to SEE E-rep in the show, not just hear about them.
Wanted the emphasize that the treaty doesn't mean anything. From the very link you made those in command have a certain view of these civilians. Sometimes certain rumors or stories take their own life and that probably happened in the case with the "defiant few" far more idolized and glorified than the truth is. That much you also get from the game and the way Nolan and Cooper talk about it. They did a good thing, but they also did the worse to do it. With civilians suffering too much from war fatigue it is not strange for the "defiant few" story to take some many hearts and to push civilians to demands for peace.
We're looking at a relative peaceful time, though in a more hostile and a more lawless world. Maybe some start remembering the family/ loved ones they lost and they might not be so forgiving, while resentment keeps growing. With little or bad communication going on globally all sort of things could happen by those who control propaganda. It is hard to put the town Defiance in a bad light and get the political backing (what can a town do wrong), but the VC (which probably have settlements in Omec and Sulos) are further away, use to be the old enemy and there is no "internet" to connect the civilians from both places.
A lie about an atrocity committed (was done in ww2 propaganda all the time) or a true atrocity committed might be all that is need to restart old hostilities. We don't know if the VC or the Earth republic has critical free journalism, we don't know how nationalistic either party is though. Though with the weapon supply from the VC limited to Votans and with them taking away all the money so easily, they might be quite nationalistic. Anyways with most factors unknown, apart from having a similar situation globally to WW2 or the cold war in terms of opposing powers, bad communication between powers, bad media or press or awareness of civilians the situation is likely quite volatile. There are also probably no good economic relations/ ties between the E-rep and the VC, thus looking at the history and where we are now, might tell us a lot of what to expect.
With time passing it is more and more likely for a conflict to start again. The Mag-Lev would actually be a great way to unify people and places across NA (too bad the VC is down south). The only thing I see in the long run from both parties to start warring again is a common enemy. A wake up call we fight for the same thing in the end (quite the typical cliche in many sci fi)?
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