PVP in this game consist of the following 5
1. Cheats, the game is full of them
2. Bunny Hopping Infectors, most annoying pathetic way to play a game
3. Cloaking Shotties, gets 1 or 2 kills before being killed
4. Idiots with no clue which end of the gun the bullets comes out.
5. Road Runners, Players that just drive all over the map running people over.
Its not fun playing with a map full of these morons and most maps seem to be full of them.
What a lame way to do PVP in 2013
then dont, easy as that, we all get the same
pathetic troll attempt. 0/10
Bongrippa <- PC NA
VBI Sniper Rifle
VOT Blast Rifle (TACC Invader when inebriated)
Overcharge (Cloak when inebriated)
Freight Yard
Pssh.
1. Maybe on the PC, but I've played my fair share of PvP on the XBox (I think about 50+, hard to say) and I've yet to see even 1 fishy guy. Heck, from what I hear, even the PC gamers aren't seeing all that many. My guess? You don't understand perks well enough, lag or possibly weapon level-up bonuses are screwing with your head. Take your pick, but w/e it is it's not hacking about 99% of the time.
2. People move pretty slowly (or at least it feels like it to me) in the air and they can't exactly change directions easily. Shoot 'em. Be better and whatnot.
3. See above. Be better. Play smarter and take defensive perks. Rear Guard, Thick Skinned and Failsafe are all very good. Bonus point for taking Crash Test Dummy to pre-empt your fifth complaint. Glass cannoning gets you nowhere.
4. Pretty sure everyone's smart enough to figure that out, but I find that when people make dumb decisions they like to blame others. Re-evaluate your own decisions before getting ticked off at nothing. And, in the case that you're right, take it like a man. We all get bads occasionally no matter what game you play. Really doubt that Trion could really be blamed for people being stupid.
5. Crash Test Dummy, Rear Guard, Thick Skinned, Failsafe, Wrecking Ball. Now laugh at them as they hit you. When they crash into you from behind, you'll take next to nothing and they'll damage their vehicle something awesome. I took out a Cerberus all by my onesies last night like that. It was fully manned too.
I mean, you're obviously trolling, but just in case you really just suck and like blaming things...well, there you go. A short list on how to not be so stupid.
While I agree with you just hear this outOriginally Posted by Giizis
Most people who don't like the pvp system isn't so much because of Trion, or at least it shouldn't be, but more so the dumb **** kids that run around and use any sad excuse combo of OP things to get first place as if it even matters in this game. Hard to take a pvp game serious when there is no ranking system or a need to play hard. 5500 a lose? ok, let me get in on that, goodluck team who cares, I'm going to go smoke.
Players- created the hate for the game play
Trion-created a easy way to boost exp and nothing more.
Seems to me he IS blaming Trion for their stupidity.
And honestly, if someone is really using PvP to level...that's just sad. I can make about 5k XP per 5-7m in San Quentin. On top of that, I get ridiculous amounts of Salvage thanks to the huge amount of equipments you can find throughout. Man, Mine 99 is 2-3 minutes if you're decent and smart and it gets you about the same amount of XP...just not the same drops. San Quentin has loads more enemies thanks to the end bit. I can make 3-4 runs in San Quentin in the time it'd take to win/lose one Shadow War. Probably about 6-7 in Mine 99. If you want to level, do that. If you want less idiots leveling like that, spread the word that missions are much better for it than standing around looking stupid.
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm completely on your side in this, the standing around is just something I have noticed recently, nothing to common but its happening. I don't know why you would want to do that, seems really lame in my opinion but more power to em i guess.
Hmm. Maybe it's a new thing. I haven't played in the last couple days, been re-powering through the original Torchlight. I personally haven't seen any of that and I hope it's just a fad...or, even better, a fluke.
-.001/10
Bad troll is bad op
You have to wonder how many of the people attacking the OP are just scared their OP loadouts will get nerfed and force them to work for their kills...
Now, I don't see any cheaters on Xbox, but that doesn't mean there are no exploits to abuse in the game design. There are serious balancing issues in every PVP aspect, and the one-dimensional game play is direct proof of that.
Sure, there are counters to every "tactic", but most if not all require remarkably more effort to do than the tactic you are trying to counter. Especially if you don't want to join the masses, and abase yourself by using the same exploits. For someone with Decoy and a Sniper Rifle/Assault Rifle it's a lot harder to effectively counter a Shotgun-Cloaker, as it is for the Cloaker to run up to you from behind, completely invisible and inaudible, and press one button, then run away.
Similarly, not everyone has ready access to perks that enable some of these counters. Not having an EGO-level based Matchmaking for PvP puts people with 5 loadouts and 9 perk slots, against people with 2 loadouts and 3 perk slots. People that had enough EGO-Perks to get their PvP loadout just like they want, against people that are just now trying to decide how they want to play PvE. This is not balance, and everybody claiming that newbies and veterans stand on even remotely even-footing, is obviously making an effort to not admit the obvious.
"Crash Test Dummy, Rear Guard, Thick Skinned, Failsafe, Wrecking Ball." to counter people in ATVs. Now, that requires what? A minimum of EGO level 350 and 24 EGO points to get and level those perks - and those perks only, no other perks that are not necessary or any EGO power level-ups. Then you need a minimum EGO level of, I think, 500 to equip 5 perks. And after you do all that, basically dedicate your character to this one particular counter, what can you do? You can counter someone sitting down on his ATV and driving around. Yeah, that seems like fair trade-off. I mean, it takes immense time and dedication to sit down on one of those ATVs, let me tell you.
But of course, then there's the overwhelming, all-answering, undeniable solution to everything: You suck - Get Better. It's a fair argument. Until you ask: why? You don't need to get better, You just need to use the same exploits everyone else does. "Yay" for variety. So why go through all the trouble of more effort, thought and planning? Why, indeed?
Well, people might enjoy a challenge. Other people see the exploits, know they can abuse the exploits just as much, and happily join the herd. On the other hand, some might look at it, see the "awesome variety" of viable weapons and play-styles, stand in sheer awe of how an ATV is the most consistently effective "weapon" of the biggest game-mode, instinctively realizing how incredibly boring and one-dimensional it is and say "**** you, but no, **** You."
But it's true, we all get the same, and PvP is War, it's about killing and about winning, not fair-play or balance, it's not supposed to be fun, at least not for the other guy, if it's in the game it can't be unbalanced just because you suck, if you don't use it you're stupid, infectors take a lot of skill to use, and Shotgun-Cloaking is an art-form only one in a billion can even make work, we all had to pay our dues when we started out so now it's time to reap the benefits, bla, bla, bla.
Sorry. Lost my train of thought there for a while. I don't agree with everything the OP stated, specifically point 1. (only PC relevant) and point 4. (hubris and elitism never really helps), but the last two flaws can be found in most of the "oh so wise answers".
PvP is boring and one-dimensional because there are exploits in the game-design that allow people to be very effective very easily. Resulting in a majority of people using these exploits, employing the same play-styles.
You cannot deny that. Don't try to.
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