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    Quote Originally Posted by ten4 View Post
    I'd like a full refund please: game client, 75 bucks in bits, and 50 bucks for season pass.

    Until then, I will just post here and rack up the infractions until they eventually perma ban me. Which will more than likely happen shortly after I hit 'post quick reply'.
    I have no sympathy for people that spend $75 on bits and $50 on a season pass for a game that they claim to hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baelrusk View Post
    Part of the problem as well is advertising and development are done by two separate departments.

    Promotional department will do things relating advertising and sales.
    Development teams do the actual code work and design.
    Then who were all the guys we saw presenting all the features
    over 9 months of videos, interviews and diaries?
    Promotional employees? No man, it was all the devs themselves
    promoting and advertising the game.

    Nick Beliaeff : Head Dev - Trion Worlds
    Rob Hill: Senior Producer - Trion Worlds
    Lars Buttler: Founder dev & CEO - Trion Worlds
    etc etc...

    No time to ride the line!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzalin View Post
    Then who were all the guys we saw presenting all the features over 9 months of videos, interviews and diaries?
    Promotional employees? No man, it was all the devs themselves promoting the game.

    Nick Beliaeff : Head Dev - Trion Worlds
    Rob Hill: Senior Producer - Trion Worlds
    Lars Buttler: Founder dev & CEO - Trion Worlds
    etc etc...
    You misunderstand what promotional means in this matter.
    Promotional simply means the ones who promote the game to others. Basically an advertising department in the company. They select media such as video footage and put it together as an ad. They also are the ones who arrange the interviews and select the questions and such to ask. They also do the editing for these.

    With game advertising, sometimes video footage is taken from the release version. Sometimes it's also simply from an alpha or beta per-release version. That is all chosen by the promotional team. That's why with some advertisements you will sometimes see "this footage may not be from actual gameplay" in a corner or such.

    The actual development team does not handle the advertising of the product.
    They are different departments or teams in the developing 'company'.
    With any product there are different departments for different aspects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzalin View Post
    I agree with you, that is why there is something wrong in advertisement these days.
    It's called: Being down to earth and realistic.

    Devs nowadays should relax on the Red Bull, and chill out when it comes to advertising their games and just present them as is.
    Showing it to you the way it is, when you're buying it, and stay honest and humble about it.
    If a lot of things are broken, and you know you won't be able to implement, and will have to fix tons of features, then keep it for later in future ads and videos for when it's gonna be ready.

    Not making it like a huge Daft Punk live show, and in the end sending you Bieber tickets.
    Thing is, I don't see any advertisements for things that aren't available. Personally, I don't consider dev diary videos to be advertising, since I know a lot of it is still in the conceptual stages. A lot of things in your list aren't advertised fetaures either, just things that are bugged, less than optimal, or subjective.

    It comes down to one fact though, many people expected something different than what they got.
    Your Challenger won't drive? You're probably in the passenger seat.
    Can't sell/delete an item? Check all of your loadouts, it's likely still equipped.
    Auction house? Why? It'll just render bits purchased lock boxes pointless, and weapons are mostly equal anyway.
    Gear/enemy progression? No thanks, it'll only render 90% of the content trivial when you reach the highest zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonDav View Post
    What a god awful post. You're talking as if Activision or EA spoils console gamers when reality it's the opposite. Activision's biggest title releases a glitchy mess every year. Months go by and it still will have problems out the ying yang. So how the hell is that "brainwashing people" in regards to delivering in a timely fashion? This foolishness of blaming what's popular is lame. You're acting like CoD and Battlefield doesn't have forums where console players vent their frustrations. Unlike Defiance, however, they also have hundreds of thousands of people playing their games on a daily basis simply because despite the flaws, there's still enough quality content. Defiance doesn't have this luxury. It has nothing to do with being brainwashed. It's simply a case where one entity provides enough quality despite the ugliness and another doesn't.
    Wow. So you're the almighty god of games now, and you can decide which ones are good enough and which ones are awful? Just state your opinion, stick to it, but don't try to force it upon everybody else with wild claims.

    Now, IN MY OPINION, Defiance is a pretty cool title with awesome gameplay, although I think it lacks a bit of content for now. I'm glad I spent $60 on it, and frankly, if some of you paid hundreds upon hundreds and expected it to be absolutely worth it... don't play any iOs games.

    Pimping a game with features that are not presen in the finished product is common and something customsrs have to think about before buying. I remember with Skyrim, they made a big deal about how you could influence the whole economy by killing merchants or burning villages, but none of that was actually in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artyloo View Post
    Wow. So you're the almighty god of games now, and you can decide which ones are good enough and which ones are awful? Just state your opinion, stick to it, but don't try to force it upon everybody else with wild claims.

    Now, IN MY OPINION, Defiance is a pretty cool title with awesome gameplay, although I think it lacks a bit of content for now. I'm glad I spent $60 on it, and frankly, if some of you paid hundreds upon hundreds and expected it to be absolutely worth it... don't play any iOs games.

    Pimping a game with features that are not presen in the finished product is common and something customsrs have to think about before buying. I remember with Skyrim, they made a big deal about how you could influence the whole economy by killing merchants or burning villages, but none of that was actually in the game.
    Is this a joke post? Not once did I try to push my opinion on anyone else. I clearly stated my opinion on an asinine claim. It should be common sense that "in my opinion" isn't needed when someone is obviously giving their point of view. Lastly, understand the meaning of a "wild claim". Maybe then you won't implement it where it doesn't apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonDav View Post
    Is this a joke post? Not once did I try to push my opinion on anyone else. I clearly stated my opinion on an asinine claim. It should be common sense that "in my opinion" isn't needed when someone is obviously giving their point of view. Lastly, understand the meaning of a "wild claim". Maybe then you won't implement it where it doesn't apply.
    Sorry, I thought you'd said something along the lines of "What a god awful post. You're talking as if Activision or EA spoils console gamers when reality it's the opposite". So instead of accepting his point of view and his opinion, you simply pushed it aside with a snarky comment and then shoved in your own.
    And yes, I think you should make it clear that you're stating your opinion when this thread is full of people, both criticizing and supporting Trion, who think they know more about game development and markeing than they really do.
    And I couldn't tell you either.

    Also, it wasn't a joke post and I don't think you assumed it was either, let's be honest.

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    omg what a stupid thread....

    have fun sueing trion people....reminds me of when the theif sued the homeowners of the house he broke into, because he hurt himself while robbing them.


    People are so fast to sue these days over the dumbest crap...wow

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    in any case... those who bought the game originally, after checking the advertisement, may have a case if they were all in a same lawsuit. This is similar to No man's sky, just not having the crashes...

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