Taking aim assist out of PvP removes all skill from PvP!

[Upinya Slayin]

yeah, and that's fine for CoD. they appeal to badkids. However I personally think it's completely ******ed. But that's great for them. Maybe im nostalgic for back in the days when there was an actual learning curve to games. Now its just "**beep beep** press A to climb the ladder, Alert! You're injured! Double tap X to roll to cover!"

*&^^(ing stupid

The problem is most younger games (not gonna say all, i have some people are are in their teens on my FL that aren't like this at all) grew up in a place where people got trophies for participating so they didn't make kids feel. they don't hit their kids. Kids odn't go outside and play sports becuase they have iphones and ipads by the time they are 7. and parents give kids games like GTA at the age of 10 where they run over hookers and spawn jets and run aorund killing eveyrone w/o an issues. then the same kids grow up thinking they are video games gods with their participation trophies and god mode PvE games with cheat codes. Then they get online at a PvP game and get killed and can't understand how its possible w/o epople cheating, hakcing, or the game being broken. and whine about it and complain. Perosnally i grew up where video games were hard. where you would switch with your firends to get past certain parts in games. where you idn't have internet for advice or cheats or anything. where you dind't have auto saves. where we went' outside and played real sports with friends and didn't have a cell phone until i was 16 and it had 1 game on it, snake. I play as a hobby for fun. I enjoy games. If i feels omehting is broken its not becuase i'm losing and i'm not gonna rage over it. I'm gonna explain why i feel somehting should be changed based on my opinion for discussion. If people don't agree that fine.
/rant

[The Oncoming Storm]

LMAO yeah pretty much what he(or she maybe) said^^^^

[Daemeos]

If you cant get a kill without needing target assist, stay out of PVP matches. This isnt Modern Warfare where you can quick scope and snap lock onto your targets in PVP and see who wins simply by who pulled the trigger first. I agree with Upinya, this isnt a "win simply by showing up" kind of game. There are no "participation" awards at the end, either you have skill and can win, or you dont and you lose.

Personally, I love that this game has no cheats or hacks available to it [yet], it means each player is relying purely on their own dedication and skill rather than access to a mod/hack site to give you god mode and infinite ammo.

[Upinya Slayin]

LMAO yeah pretty much what he(or she maybe) said^^^^

If i was a girl, i'd be playing with my boobs instead of posting on this forum lol

Disclaimer, this is just a joke. Don't take it seriously please

[Slay]

i see your argument but i don't think making automatic weapons easier to sue or snipers easier to use is the best way to balance it. They should just remove the homing on infectors and make them harder to use to match the other wepaons





umm not to make you look stupid but do you know what a courior is? it fires sticky explosives. its a detonator labeled as a shotugn but more powerfull. the highest base damage detonator i seen is 1515 while the lwoest courior i seen is 1919 and it fries 2 of them in 1 shot. hence 1 shot doing lamost 4k damage compared to 1 shot from a detonator doing 1500 damage. I wans't comparing to standard shotgun that shoots pellets or shells.

Yes unfortunately that's what you get for googling "courier defiance" lol.
I was misunderstanding you, because you said.

the damage output on detonators is low ... a couriour(another detonator) is more damaging the a detonator with 1 shot doing almost 4k damage and it sticks to people. a direct shot with a couriour will kill anyone.

I'm not sure if i'm still misunderstanding you or you just contradicted what you said or what, tbh i'm probably the one confused here. Try and explain it a little better please?

Sorry, this was what I was referring to on IGN.

[Upinya Slayin]

If you cant get a kill without needing target assist, stay out of PVP matches. This isnt Modern Warfare where you can quick scope and snap lock onto your targets in PVP and see who wins simply by who pulled the trigger first. I agree with Upinya, this isnt a "win simply by showing up" kind of game. There are no "participation" awards at the end, either you have skill and can win, or you dont and you lose.

Personally, I love that this game has no cheats or hacks available to it [yet], it means each player is relying purely on their own dedication and skill rather than access to a mod/hack site to give you god mode and infinite ammo.

only cause were on xbox. the PC folks have to deal with cheaters all the time lol

[Upinya Slayin]

Yes unfortunately that's what you get for googling "courier defiance" lol.
I was misunderstanding you, because you said.



I'm not sure if i'm still misunderstanding you or you just contradicted what you said or what, tbh i'm probably the one confused here. Try and explain it a little better please?

Soory i mean the courier (another shotgun) i accidentally called it a detonator. I was just making the point that this shotgun makes most detonaors obsolete if you have a good one

[Daemeos]

only cause were on xbox. the PC folks have to deal with cheaters all the time lol

I dont think even the PC players have a lot of cheaters, not for this game anyway. Unless they are completely different than ours, their character info is still saved to the games servers rather than to their system. There would be no files to edit or hack, much like World of Warcraft. Since I dont play this one on PC, I cant say with 100% certainty that there are NO cheats for it, but I havent heard of any yet, aside from the occasional exploitable glitch, and we have those on xbox as well.

[Slay]

people want to think they are better tehn they are. and PvE games make you feel like god mode. soaking damage and one shotting eveyrthing like a boss. But then those same people come to PvP modes, get desrtoyed and think, why it can't be me. It must be the game and this and that and want the game to be made easier fro them.

Totally generalizing people first of all, that is not the case. I made that clear in the first paragraph of the thread also not to generalize or assume about skill, especially because that's not the reasoning of the thread. It's to even out a whopping 50% of guns that are completely obsolete in PvP.

Now don't get me wrong. some games do have terrible balance. GoW has its gnahser, ME3 has its GI, AC3 has its smokebomb etc. all legtimate concerns of balance. I'm not saying definace is perfectly balanced either but overall its not terrible

By comparing it to other bad game setups doesn't give this game an excuse to do nothing about the horrible balance.

[Slay]

If you cant get a kill without needing target assist, stay out of PVP matches. This isnt Modern Warfare where you can quick scope and snap lock onto your targets in PVP and see who wins simply by who pulled the trigger first. I agree with Upinya, this isnt a "win simply by showing up" kind of game. There are no "participation" awards at the end, either you have skill and can win, or you dont and you lose.

Personally, I love that this game has no cheats or hacks available to it [yet], it means each player is relying purely on their own dedication and skill rather than access to a mod/hack site to give you god mode and infinite ammo.

Ok hacks and mods have nothing to do with this thread firstly, and LOL. This has NOTHING to do with other games or their mechanics, I don't care if you disagree with aim assist but saying this is a 'Win simply by showing up' kind of game is impossible, someone always loses. There is XP gained from kills and keycodes awarded on default, that counts as participation and xp is rewarded for your mlg hot pants noscope skills. I seriously wonder if you even know what this thread is about.