Taking aim assist out of PvP removes all skill from PvP!

[fang1192]

Then there's nothing to be fixed and this thread is just a waste of bandwidth.

So because a player is good enough to counter the cheese tactics that are currently popular he has no reason to complain? That's a really stupid argument. I, and many others, would like to see the meta move towards more precision and skill based weaponry. As it is, the dominant tactics require little to no input from the user. I find that unacceptable.

@upinya My scores are closer to 8 - 5/6, on Observatory. I do have better games and i do have worse games. But for the most part i am positive. Not saying you specified me, but i do want to clear things up a bit.

[Upinya Slayin]

So because a player is good enough to counter the cheese tactics that are currently popular he has no reason to complain? That's a really stupid argument. I, and many others, would like to see the meta move towards more precision and skill based weaponry. As it is, the dominant tactics require little to no input from the user. I find that unacceptable.

@upinya My scores are closer to 8 - 5/6, on Observatory. I do have better games and i do have worse games. But for the most part i am positive. Not saying you specified me, but i do want to clear things up a bit.

Wasn't calling anyone out specifically. Just saying in general i see alot of people on the forums post about how great they are but see them in game and they fail or do average. I've come across maybe 1 or 2 that were actually good players and at least 10-15 that were just bad to below average

[Daemeos]

I have my good games and bad... yesterday for example I was 10-18 kills for 2-4 deaths and usually half a dozen assists per game. My first game this morning, I was a miserable 0/5 with 4 assists. Second game was considerably better, but I only blame myself for the loss on the first game. I was killed by an assortment of weapons so I cant even say "darn those [insert weapon type here] users!!" I just wasnt on my game this morning, plain and simple.

[Upinya Slayin]

I have my good games and bad... yesterday for example I was 10-18 kills for 2-4 deaths and usually half a dozen assists per game. My first game this morning, I was a miserable 0/5 with 4 assists. Second game was considerably better, but I only blame myself for the loss on the first game. I was killed by an assortment of weapons so I cant even say "darn those [insert weapon type here] users!!" I just wasnt on my game this morning, plain and simple.

and it happens. there were some games i couldn't find anone and was like 3-0 with 1 assist. i literally only seen 4 people all game. at the end my one friend was like 17-0 and i was like WTF?? I think we won 25-5 that game

[Slay]

Well if I have an AR and Shotgun is more like 24 - 3 or so, lol.
And saying you can do fine with an AR, you are contradicting yourself. You said...

"ARs, SMGs, LMGs, Pistols, and Snipers are completely obsolete when it comes to Detonators, Rocket Launchers and Guided Rocket Launchers, Shotguns, Sawed off Shotguns, Infectors and Biomechanical Guns."

But if you are going 7-1 and 8-0, how is that obsolete when kids are running around with Shotguns and Detonators with Cloak and going 12- 9.

You're lying because i've never seen 1 team mate ever get 24-3 in competitive. Waterfront has a 25 score cap limit, you expect me to believe 1 team mate does all or half of the work if we were talking about observatory? BS. And if you're talking about Shadow War(And shouldn't be), I trash that score of 24-3. I do better than that actually in Shadow war with my worst game being a 25-5 and a best score of 40-0.

Just because I said ARs, SMGs, etc are obsolete doesn't mean I can't use them lol. I have good enough hand eye coordination to use them, so why shouldn't I? They do more damage than BMGs and some infectors, but overall I like them for their range and fortunately I have good enough coordination to use them. That argument is one of the stupidest i've seen so far actually. Yeah, I say they're obsolete so when I say I do good in PvP by using them I must be lying, obviously. ??? No, reason is because I stay on the roof and kill people with the weapons where I am out of range of such weapons like detonators & some infectors. Height advantage and good hand eye.

[Slay]

Then there's nothing to be fixed and this thread is just a waste of bandwidth.

Lol K excuse me for giving feedback to the developers to try and make the game better, and people agree with me. Obviously a waste of bandwidth, unlike your godlike opinionated post.

[Upinya Slayin]

You're lying because i've never seen 1 team mate ever get 24-3 in competitive. Waterfront has a 25 score cap limit, you expect me to believe 1 team mate does all or half of the work if we were talking about observatory? BS. And if you're talking about Shadow War(And shouldn't be), I trash that score of 24-3. I do better than that actually in Shadow war with my worst game being a 25-5 and a best score of 40-0.

Just because I said ARs, SMGs, etc are obsolete doesn't mean I can't use them lol. I have good enough hand eye coordination to use them, so why shouldn't I? They do more damage than BMGs and some infectors, but overall I like them for their range and fortunately I have good enough coordination to use them. That argument is one of the stupidest i've seen so far actually. Yeah, I say they're obsolete so when I say I do good in PvP by using them I must be lying, obviously. ??? No, reason is because I stay on the roof and kill people with the weapons where I am out of range of such weapons like detonators & some infectors. Height advantage and good hand eye.

yeah shadow war is stupidly easy for a good KD. i played 2 games and my 1st was 19-2 and MVP on my team, my 2nd was like 24-3 and 2nd on my team. and i didn't even camp. i camptured points. TDM is where you discuss the KD thing. also i've played against Vizzera in TDM and i can't call out forum memebers becuase its against the rules, so i'll just say "no comment" on his/her performance. I will say if i was building a team of people to play with with the goal of winning, i wouldn't recruit him/her

[Slay]

yeah shadow war is stupidly easy for a good KD. i played 2 games and my 1st was 19-2 and MVP on my team, my 2nd was like 24-3 and 2nd on my team. and i didn't even camp. i camptured points. TDM is where you discuss the KD thing. also i've played against Vizzera in TDM and i can't call out forum memebers becuase its against the rules, so i'll just say "no comment" on his/her performance. I will say if i was building a team of people to play with with the goal of winning, i wouldn't recruit him/her

Not to name and shame so I won't, but yeah I agree on Shadow War. I don't know why shadow war is so much easier than competitive, it just is. They are both PvP, I'm assuming since it's objective people only focus on the points rather than kills and the objective like I do, that may be wrong of me but whatever. I defend points.

[Upinya Slayin]

Not to name and shame so I won't, but yeah I agree on Shadow War. I don't know why shadow war is so much easier than competitive, it just is. They are both PvP, I'm assuming since it's objective people only focus on the points rather than kills and the objective like I do, that may be wrong of me but whatever. I defend points.

I think i've played against you before as well but can't reaally remember how you di. your GT sounds familiar.

and as far as shadow wars go, I think its more random and tahst why. when you have such a large amount agisnt another large amount with huge maps and 5-6 capture points its pretty random and hard to watch you flanks. plus with AOE explosives and people who like to camp hills sneaking up ebing them and getting explosive kils 3-5 at a time isn't hard. plus people get distracted by NPC easily and treat it like ark falls so the competaiton is weak as well

[PookLove]

They nerfed infectors? Lol ok then they did such a good job.

It was in one of the patch notes, but yeah they only slightly nerfed them. I wish they would nerf them more.