OMG!! Just balance Weapon in PVP already !!

[Epshiluss]

I don't see any problem with PVP, its fine as it is.

The cloak can be counters by using decoy with the sweeper perk (reveals clocked enemy's). Sure there are lot's of people using shotguns, and out of 100 deaths 95 will be by shotguns in team death match. Any assault rifle or SMG heck even a hand gun can out class a shotgun with well placed rounds to the head, but not many people are proficient in this so they go for the easiest method to kill, which are the shotguns and infectors.

Get better at head slotting with a assault rifle, LMG, SMG or sniper and you will find shotguns are no problem at all, but this takes lots and lots of practice, so many of you will just use a shotgun or infector.

[B_Draco]

I don't see any problem with PVP, its fine as it is.

The cloak can be counters by using decoy with the sweeper perk (reveals clocked enemy's). Sure there are lot's of people using shotguns, and out of 100 deaths 95 will be by shotguns in team death match. Any assault rifle or SMG heck even a hand gun can out class a shotgun with well placed rounds to the head, but not many people are proficient in this so they go for the easiest method to kill, which are the shotguns and infectors.

Get better at head shooting with a assault rifle, LMG, SMG or sniper and you will find shotguns are no problem at all, but this takes lots and lots of practice, so many of you will just use a shotgun or infector.

Fixed minor spelling error.

Anyway, overcharge with VOT mass cannon and siphon SAW or full auto siphon AR is awesome. Plus having rank 15 in rockets really packs a punch to groups of players, I'll hit 20 today.

[ArcTJ]

I don't see any problem with PVP, its fine as it is.

The cloak can be counters by using decoy with the sweeper perk (reveals clocked enemy's). Sure there are lot's of people using shotguns, and out of 100 deaths 95 will be by shotguns in team death match. Any assault rifle or SMG heck even a hand gun can out class a shotgun with well placed rounds to the head, but not many people are proficient in this so they go for the easiest method to kill, which are the shotguns and infectors.

Get better at head slotting with a assault rifle, LMG, SMG or sniper and you will find shotguns are no problem at all, but this takes lots and lots of practice, so many of you will just use a shotgun or infector.

Ideally Yes,
Reality No !!
I double dare you, run around with AR/ LMG and pistrol / SMG with overcharge / Blur /
and get positive K/D for 10 games in a roll

[Epshiluss]

That's quite easy to do. I normal run with a siphon tech mag pulser and overcharge. Normally i can get 8-3 or 15-7. All you do is play smart and engage enemy's with back up and don't jump in to a crowd of 3+ all with shot guns. Having a sludge rocket and bio grenades helps immensely, since you can sludge the surrounding areas and trap a few people in cloak.

if your going with shot gun V shot gun its more of a 50/50 of winning. This is probably why people have to resort to cloak, as they need an advantage to tip the scales from 50/50 to 80/20 of killing the enemy.

[Shogo_Yahagi]

Just remove weapons from PvP. Problem solved, and you'll stop screwing up PvE.

[bigguy]

another person who has to complain till they get something nerfed all guns are not created equal and they shouldnt be

[Finish the Fight]

I’m sorry TC but this game isn’t designed as a PVP based experience but a PVE. If you are looking for hardcore pvp I would suggest looking elsewhere. The last thing Defiance needs is more entitles gamers complaining but the second thing it needs least is to ruin is majority PVE for the sake of one small side aspect..called pvp.

[Draaconis]

Everything in this game is balanced. that seems to be the problem. People seem to want their tactic to be godly and everyone else to suck. Cloak + Shotty is not the end all be all of PvP. People want to complain about the lack of change through the EGO levels, but they don't realize that is what is creating the "balance" people are looking for. Cloaking with a shotgun is a good tactic. Get over it.

[MiThiKaL]

I'm sick of the lack of weapon variety in pvp.

Don't get me wrong I love PVP (I came from BF3, Warface, Dust514, Blacklight Retribution)

I wanted to play the pvp shooter games with RPG elements. And yes ! this one attracted me. I was grinding a bit til I get good gears to counter with other players. I was having fun pvping for couple days from launch

BUT

- WTH pvp length is so short especially on waterfront. I go pee in toilet and the game ends
- 2 Maps !!? and shadow war which take forever to matchmaking ? (Asia)
- What most frustrate me... The lack of weapon variety and not a single dev balance it..

devs are slow. They see a lot of people complaining in the same way and many times. They just ignore. I expected the balancing patch since 1.010 patch. And nothing happened. Shotguns are way too powerful with cloak enabled. Infectors are too much powerful for ranged. And very hard to counter because infectors they block my view so I cat shoot back properly with the big infected on my body.

2 Things just only 2

- Shotguns + Cloak
- Infectors

AR sucks
SMG sucks when fighting with shot gun in short to mid range
LMG pretty good damage but bad accuracy
RL Never use but seems balance to me

Cloak + Shotgun is pretty overused, but I dont use either and Im pretty successful in PVP.
I use an AR. Heavy Carbine single shot with 444 damage per shot, attached a controlled burst mag on it to make a three burst. And I use a Sludge Rocket launcher, It hits with roughly 500 damage on impact and puts a pretty big area of sludge on the ground and slows the enemy down. Its extremely useful. Once they are slowed I pull out my AR and finish them off in 3-4 bursts. I also rack up a ton of assists from using the RL, i think if anyone even steps in the sludge it counts as an assist. When I see someone use their cloak, I just blast them with the RL and they dont get close enough to me before they die.

[ItISLupus]

This will probably be done in a client patch.

The main issue is how Shadowed strike is set up. As it is, the entire 30% is being spread across the entire shot. Fixing it would be as simple as making the 30% distributed among the pellets.

This wont fix slugs, but you don't often see people using them. Its mostly Sawed offs, and Vot shotguns