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    Most I would think would rather have the game "work" more properly than get additional content more than anything. Most MMOs don't tend to "pull" out non-working content, they have the content tested where the majority are able to progress through it without it just utterly crashing or just messing with player experience. It is just laughable that less than 2 weeks after release people already figured out how to mod the game and hack so that you would get the one-shot arkfalls, just pointing out just a single example there. Also playing through main missions there was(still) a bug that hangs up the mission having to play through that mission 6 times and on the 7th time it finally relented and worked, I reported that issue of course it did take about a week and a half for them to respond(2-3 business days would have been nice). Even after patch that did not really resolve the issue as post-patch it still hung up for me.

    But it shows, when beta testing for example lasted only about a month. Most other MMOs have their closed beta and open beta last much longer(3-4 months some even longer). Some critical problems still retaining within that time frame that were reported by testers most likely within the first days of testing that were not addressed. Not many don't seem to also remember that this game was in development for 4 or 5 years( wiki says started around august 2008), most working MMOs that are out now for example GW2 was in development for 6 years(including beta testing) give or take before actual release. Everything about it screams "too soon". Also, patches that are pushed don't fix that they are intended to fix, that brings into question how they actually test things in their development lab, or whether they are using production servers themselves for it.

    If Trion pushed back deployment for summer or a December of 2013 with beta testing lasting the actual time it should have taken, the game would probably have had many of the current critical issues ironed out and would have had better reception. Along with the TV show perhaps being pushed back a few months would not have been too bad for it as well, giving the devs the time needed to get a better idea of the roadmap they want to do, frankly the blog about them revisiting their development plan for the game does not inspire much confidence. It gives the appearance that the devs don't really know where they want the game to go and it was barely released.

    As for DLC, I can understand that DLCs are paid additions to the game which is fine. But, I do find it funny that the world of defiance has 6 or 7 humanoid races tat are in the universe, yet at the start you can only play 2 out of the 7. Not say 4 out of the 7? And the rest can be DLC perhaps that would seem fairer as at least you get half of the races to see a storyline or get a view of the races. When you first play through the story, it does not really introduce you to any of the races or much of the story of that matter. What actually would have been a better story would have been a few years after the aliens arrive how the earth was being changed by terraforming rather than seeing the "aftermath" sort of deal.

    Also the TV crossover you can tell is relatively last minute nothing planned out or something that would involve the WHOLE population of the server to influence what happens in the show. That was one of the draws of the game, reduced to a mundane item grind that only allows one person to get a "cameo". No event such as a server event that lasts for a month(or two) for instance, E.g kill a super hellbug queen that rampages from san francisco and is heading toward Defiance. Everyone in the server has to help to kill it else 1 or 2 months down the line we see an episode in the show where they can take direct references from the game. If the server fails to kill it the Defiance writers can make an episode about it a few months down the line or even next season it doesn't have to be immediate like next week's episode, San Fransisco and Saint Louis aren't even in the same state writers can easily say it took the thing a month or two to get there. Of course, if the server succeeds in the event the show can make mention of it in an already written episode. Or other ideas such as get a weapon you wanna see in the game be used in the show. Based on last kill shots on arkfalls depending on what gun is used the most as the last kill on an arkfall it gets posted and used in an episode as a last kill shot on something(see everyone use infectors or launchers towards the end of an arkfall...). Raising scrip to send to Defiance for something to happen, sending it even to the antagonist in the show(how original would that be you can send cash to the enemy)... Or even the TV show send scrip to the game for a contract to kill off something or handle keeping something away. The Writers can pick and choose when they wanna add in the content many cases really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raico Sansin View Post
    Okay
    1. Bioshock was marketed as single experience and has a really cool story, setting, and characters. Some of defiances story is great, but the characters and setting are boring and don't elicit any type connection to the bay area. So yeah I knowingly bought that short really fun COMPLETED game for 60bucks. Don't regret it at all. Defiance is not a completed game among other broken promises so yeah it ain't worth 60 bucks.

    2. The reason the promised content is a recurring argument is THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE FEEL TRICKED AND LIED TOO.

    3. Don't be lazy and look it up for yourself if you want to see what others are complaining about, you probably don't have a problem with it because you didn't follow the game for 2months while trion did the whole dog and pony show about "content" and "WEEKLY episodic missions"

    4. Since the big chunks of the game that had me excited are not in it, THAT'S WHY I FIND IT BORING.

    5. Don't be a jerk when replying to others who RESPECTFULLY expressed their opinions.
    At what point did I act like a jerk?

    And no, I will not go blindly searching the internet when I don't even know what it is im supposed to be looking for. Should I type "defiance broken promises" into google? That will just pull up a bunch of posts with people complaining and still not showing any evidence. It is such a common argument im sure it will be much easier for someone to just pull something up, but thanks for calling me lazy.

    And what you consider not to be weekly content is a simple matter of opinion, new pursuits with new emergencys, new hellbug elementals, new races....sorry but technically that is new content, all of which is free, and all of it got crapped on before people even played it.

    Yes, I know it doesn't tie in with the show directly. So once again, show me what it is im supposed to be so disappointed with. I assume all these people complaining knew that the show and game took place in different parts of the world before they bought the game correct? Or is that one of the false advertisements, were the show and game advertised as taking place in the same area?

    If not, what exactly is supposed to happen with this weekly content, are the characters from the show supposed to travel to the bay area in between every episode so we can interact with them? That hardly makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raico Sansin View Post
    well someone had an extra bowl of betch flakes this moring......
    Its actually my afternoon and no I had some eggs, and 2 extra fluffy pancakes it was idelicious btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turantula View Post
    Its actually my afternoon and no I had some eggs, and 2 extra fluffy pancakes it was idelicious btw.
    With real maple syrup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scubu View Post
    With real maple syrup?
    Nah maple is for sissys, down south where I'm from we like karo syrup, made from sugar cane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schwa View Post
    People want it complete RIGHT NOW because it launched too early. You can't fight it.
    This. I agree. IT really is still in testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Shepard View Post
    At what point did I act like a jerk?

    And no, I will not go blindly searching the internet when I don't even know what it is im supposed to be looking for. Should I type "defiance broken promises" into google? That will just pull up a bunch of posts with people complaining and still not showing any evidence. It is such a common argument im sure it will be much easier for someone to just pull something up, but thanks for calling me lazy.

    And what you consider not to be weekly content is a simple matter of opinion, new pursuits with new emergencys, new hellbug elementals, new races....sorry but technically that is new content, all of which is free, and all of it got crapped on before people even played it.

    Yes, I know it doesn't tie in with the show directly. So once again, show me what it is im supposed to be so disappointed with. I assume all these people complaining knew that the show and game took place in different parts of the world before they bought the game correct? Or is that one of the false advertisements, were the show and game advertised as taking place in the same area?

    If not, what exactly is supposed to happen with this weekly content, are the characters from the show supposed to travel to the bay area in between every episode so we can interact with them? That hardly makes sense.


    For your convenience. Go to 5:15 and keep on watching till the end. The main point is.. that we will effect the show, in which we haven't one bit. And it wasn't only said here. It was on the steam page as well.
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    Dear OP console player, we PC players are used to way better MMOs and even F2P. We can choose from pleathora of MMOs and thats why we find defiance "not great" at best, while console players will mostly defend it as they have no other options in similar category of game segment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwane View Post
    Dear OP console player, we PC players are used to way better MMOs and even F2P. We can choose from pleathora of MMOs and thats why we find defiance "not great" at best, while console players will mostly defend it as they have no other options in similar category of game segment.
    haha aint the truth.

    of course you may want to watch what you say, someone will soon tell you "Then go play those game that's better and leave the forum"...

    I cant seem to keep my eyes off of Defiance...its like, you know whats going to happen and you cant tear your eyes from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwane View Post
    Dear OP console player, we PC players are used to way better MMOs and even F2P. We can choose from pleathora of MMOs and thats why we find defiance "not great" at best, while console players will mostly defend it as they have no other options in similar category of game segment.
    You know.... i never thought about people actually defending it because it was their only option for an mmo. Heh.. how funny.

    Man i sure love having a PC. Such a plethora of options.
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