In-game auction house/market and mail system?

[Grant]

Yes, but people will likely not take the chance. If I see something in the auction house, I will just work to get the scrip for it, and not risk getting something that will not sell in the AH because it is too common. Trion would not get as much money, because people would no longer want to buy bits for lockboxes, if any still do right now anyway.

What you're describing is a common area, not necessarily an AH. Any place could be made for that purpose.

Now we're talking

So the scrip would have actually value. Not like now.

Next thing is poeple will always buy Lock Boxes because people will always buy Orange/Purple/Blue items. I thinkt that way, its like life cycle.

Now we have common area, even few. Auction House will be one, so it will get more crowded. More chance to interact.

But we're now speculating. A proper test would give answers and maybe would show the unexpected

[ironhands]

You keep saying it's pointless yet we have all told you it serves the purpose of facilitating faster trade and preventing a lot of wasted time in the trade forums. It allso gives us an outlet for good loot that we don't actually need for our builds since it's not like we have a bank to put the stuff in while we wait for somebody to happen by who needs it. You say it has alot of CONS but I'm not seeing any.



I think the point he is trying to make is that coiners will buy bits to gain a valuable orange from lockboxes or multiple good epics or mediocre oranges so they can sell them on the ah for the legendary they actually want for there build. Rather then decrease bit putchases it will actually improve them as players can now have an expectation of return through the ah even if they don't get the specific item they hoped for they will likely get enough salable items to get what they did want. Right now the odds of a coiner getting the item they really want are minute and after a few attempts they would give up buying bits. But if they could sell what they did find for scrip they would be gaining a benefit and more likely to continue doing it.

Trading for what? You aren't getting a substantial upgrade going through the trading forum.

Not seeing cons? I've listed them before, but I'll list them again:

Creating an economy needs maintenance, someone will have to monitor the costs more closely to prevent inflation on future expansion

An AH creates a much higher demand for scrip, and in doing so means more people will be willing to purchase scrip for real $, which opens the door to scrip farmers and chat/voip spam

An AH pushes people to go there for loot, rather than using the current method of keys or arkfall rewards, reducing every item they might find along the way to only being important for resale

As above, if scrip now becomes more important, keys are less important, only important for those who wish to find gear to resell.

There are other cons, but you get the idea. The most important fact though, is that any item you gain won't really be any better than what you already have, just a matter of preference. They'd be further ahead in just making a vendor with most of the items people want.

[Ctrain]

Yes, but people will likely not take the chance. If I see something in the auction house, I will just work to get the scrip for it, and not risk getting something that will not sell in the AH because it is too common. Trion would not get as much money, because people would no longer want to buy bits for lockboxes, if any still do right now anyway.

What you're describing is a common area, not necessarily an AH. Any place could be made for that purpose.

If they were willing to farm for keycodes or scrip they wouldn't be coining to begin with. Fact is with an ah coining becomes even more attractive because they know they can quickly turn the bits into script through the ah. Even if most of it doesn't sell thats still better then not beeing able to sell ANYTHING except the crazy good orange or perfect rolled epic you bother to bring to the trade forums.

[ironhands]

It has no cons. What cons would a bank have? What cons could an auction house possibly have? And don't say "Wah it'll destroy the economy" What economy exactly? If anything it'll increase the value of scrip which everyone wants.

Or an alternative could be player stores. So when you inspect a player you can see what they're selling and then buy it off them or broker a trade.

What cons can a mail system possibly even have too? Like seriously Ironhands it just sounds like you're afraid of change.

nothing wrong with a mail system, never said there was. Cons for the AH are above, and there are more. Bank has no real cons, besides not really being necessary. Why would you want to store more guns than you could carry?

[ironhands]

If they were willing to farm for keycodes or scrip they wouldn't be coining to begin with. Fact is with an ah coining becomes even more attractive because they know they can quickly turn the bits into script through the ah. Even if most of it doesn't sell thats still better then not beeing able to sell ANYTHING except the crazy good orange or perfect rolled epic you bother to bring to the trade forums.

And what would you do with the scrip once you sell your weapons? There's nothing to spend it on. If all you want to do is make more scrip, then wouldn't increasing the vendor sell$ accomplish the same thing? It just seems rather pointless. Just salvage it and move on.

[Ctrain]

Trading for what? You aren't getting a substantial upgrade going through the trading forum.

Not seeing cons? I've listed them before, but I'll list them again:

Creating an economy needs maintenance, someone will have to monitor the costs more closely to prevent inflation on future expansion

An AH creates a much higher demand for scrip, and in doing so means more people will be willing to purchase scrip for real $, which opens the door to scrip farmers and chat/voip spam

An AH pushes people to go there for loot, rather than using the current method of keys or arkfall rewards, reducing every item they might find along the way to only being important for resale

As above, if scrip now becomes more important, keys are less important, only important for those who wish to find gear to resell.

There are other cons, but you get the idea. The most important fact though, is that any item you gain won't really be any better than what you already have, just a matter of preference. They'd be further ahead in just making a vendor with most of the items people want.

Actually no it doesn't need maintenance because it's free market driven. Nobody has to monitor costs because the cost set's itself for what the market will bare. That will only show as inflation if there are not enough scrip sinks in the game which there most certainly aren't right now. If inflation is a problem they just adjust the AH taxrate. I think the devs can spare someone for 30 seconds to change 1 number.

You're suggesting players would start buying script for real money like they allready can't by purchasing bit boxes and selling the good epics and oranges they get. Allready beeing done so if it's an issue it won't get any worse.

Your suggesting players will stop running arkfalls because scrip becomes more important. And where do you suggest they get the scrip from if they don't run arkfalls for items and keycodes to open boxes for good items to sell on the ah? Again if you're saying they'd buy it from some unscrupulous scrip farmer they can allready effectively buy scrip anyway.

So not one of your "cons' is actually an issue at all or if it is then it's allready ongoing regardless.

And what would you do with the scrip once you sell your weapons? There's nothing to spend it on. If all you want to do is make more scrip, then wouldn't increasing the vendor sell$ accomplish the same thing? It just seems rather pointless. Just salvage it and move on.

You're right there isn't anything to spend it on which is the whole reason we need the ah in the first place. So we actually have access to that leet orange weapon without having to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it.

[ironhands]

Actually no it doesn't need maintenance because it's free market driven. Nobody has to monitor costs because the cost set's itself for what the market will bare. That will only show as inflation if there are not enough scrip sinks in the game which there most certainly aren't right now. If inflation is a problem they just adjust the AH taxrate. I think the devs can spare someone for 30 seconds to change 1 number.

Sorry, you're wrong. Yes, the AH would be a free market, but unless it's tied to the NPC vendors, the inflation will present itself. New expansions item costs would be calculated based on the amount of scrip circulating, and for those who don't participate in the AH, the costs would be very high, OR, if the tailor it to the people who don't, the costs would be negligible to those who have exploited the market.

You're suggesting players would start buying script for real money like they allready can't by purchasing bit boxes and selling the good epics and oranges they get. Allready beeing done so if it's an issue it won't get any worse.

It would be much worse. Not many players actively visit the trade forums. Having an in-game AH would increase the number of players involved in trading, because it's now much easier to do so, and much more valuable as a result.

Your suggesting players will stop running arkfalls because scrip becomes more important. And where do you suggest they get the scrip from if they don't run arkfalls for items and keycodes to open boxes for good items to sell on he ah? Again if you're saying they'd buy it from some unscrupulous scrip farmer they can allready effectively buy scrip anyway.

I said nothing of the sort. I said the rewards would be less important, only as a means to sell for scrip.

Just because an issue is already happening, doesn't mean that it should be facilitated. Hacking's an issue as well, should they point out the specific sites/programs used to do it, so that people can be told not to use them?

[Ctrain]

Sorry, you're wrong. Yes, the AH would be a free market, but unless it's tied to the NPC vendors, the inflation will present itself. New expansions item costs would be calculated based on the amount of scrip circulating, and for those who don't participate in the AH, the costs would be very high, OR, if the tailor it to the people who don't, the costs would be negligible to those who have exploited the market.



It would be much worse. Not many players actively visit the trade forums. Having an in-game AH would increase the number of players involved in trading, because it's now much easier to do so, and much more valuable as a result.



I said nothing of the sort. I said the rewards would be less important, only as a means to sell for scrip.

Just because an issue is already happening, doesn't mean that it should be facilitated. Hacking's an issue as well, should they point out the specific sites/programs used to do it, so that people can be told not to use them?

No MMO I have ever played has tied the vendor cost to the AH in anyway whatsoever and I have played most of the big ones ESP wow. Honestly that will never happen as it makes no sense to do it and I can't figure out where your getting it from.

Ok so players buy script for real money from Trion via bit boxes. You are playing an f2p aka pay to win MMO. This is par for the course and will occur no matter the existance of an ah or not. Maybe the ah makes this practice easier but I don't even see scrip buying as an issue regardless. In wow where they had serious issues with botting and gold farmers/buying I still could afford anything in that game for one simple reason. Inflation effects proceeds as much as it does prices. That item you wanted that doubled in price? Well the items you're selling to get the script for it did too and there is no net change. Don't play the ah? No problem you can buy vendor epics either random spawn or rep rewards. Not as good as the legedaries on the ah? Well you can't expect to be as strong in the game as someone who doesn't refuse to use all it's features.

And now were comparing scrip buying and hacking in the same metaphor. One is a tos violation the other, provided it's done through bit boxes and sold items for scrip, is not.

[Envy]

Even if you make it so we have to set up booths and be logged in game...

[T_Archangel]

Maybe an auction house to sell items for scrip but chat kinda allows communication w/o the need of mailboxes I think