In-game auction house/market and mail system?

[ironhands]

No MMO I have ever played has tied the vendor cost to the AH in anyway whatsoever and I have played most of the big ones ESP wow. Honestly that will never happen as it makes no sense to do it and I can't figure out where your getting it from.

You are correct, they don't, which means that the pricing on new items from NPC vendors need to be calculated by the devs, and they will have to decide whether to balance the costs on the haves, or the have nots. Both have their downsides. It actually makes a lot of sense to balance the NPC costs based on the current AH values dynamically, it reduces the workload of the devs, and keeping the prices in flux adds a new dimension, just like people claim would be a "good" thing if an AH existed. It would give the appearance of a free market.

Ok so players buy script for real money from Trion via bit boxes. You are playing an f2p aka pay to win MMO. This is par for the course and will occur no matter the existance of an ah or not. Maybe the ah makes this practice easier but I don't even see scrip buying as an issue regardless. In wow where they had serious issues with botting and gold farmers/buying I still could afford anything in that game for one simple reason.

This game isn't f2p, it's b2p, and it certainly is far from pay to win. There is nothing in the bits store that gives any player an advantage over any other. If people want something in an AH badly enough, they will certainly look for the fastest method to obtain the item, many will not want to risk farming lockboxes for random items that whey won't be able to resell, and would seek alternatives, like scrip sellers; they exist because people buy from them. Quite often, the scrip farmers make their money by selling in the AH as well. They farm scrip, sell items in the AH, then sell you the scrip for real $, you buy their item, and they get their scrip back.

And now were comparing scrip buying and hacking in the same metaphor. One is a tos violation the other, provided it's done through bit boxes and sold items for scrip, is not.

The comparison wasn't to condone hacking, it was simply to display the concept that making something easier to locate, increases the usage exponentially. While SOME people use the trading forums, when an AH is introduced, the number of people using a trading mechanic will increase substantially. If Trion posted specific sites with hacking information, saying don't use these, more people would be hacking, because it's become easier for them. It was a poor analogy, but it is valid.

A ToS violation won't stop people from farming/botting any more than it stops them from hacking. The risk vs reward for the farmers isn't that high, the $40 they pay for access is nothing if they can make more than $40 in scrip sales.

Inflation effects proceeds as much as it does prices. That item you wanted that doubled in price? Well the items you're selling to get the script for it did too and there is no net change. Don't play the ah? No problem you can buy vendor epics either random spawn or rep rewards. Not as good as the legedaries on the ah? Well you can't expect to be as strong in the game as someone who doesn't refuse to use all it's features.

You seem to be under the impression that a legendary or epic will make you stronger in the game; it won't. The difference is very, very small, and is really negligible when you factor in the actual player skill. This isn't WoW, where gear is the single most important factor. It is for this fact, that an AH really isn't important, and many seem to be overlooking this, and are still looking at this game with "WoW goggles".

[SYN Fifty]

what i have gatherd from reading this entire thread is that. Ironhands here is a know it all and doesnt like change and is butt hurt that weapon progression isnt very heavy at the moment but is oblivious to the fact that Defiance wont be this exact same way for ever and legendaries and epics eventually will take the progression they deserve to be resonable to buy.

Some people just simply enjoy the hobby of buying and trading regardless if it is the weapon that supports their play style or not. Fact of the matter is, people want an AH and it will make things much easier for the player base. The devs are payed to work their rears off for us so let them work and do their job while we enjoy our game we paid for and contribute our personel time to playing it. The only con i see to the AH from the point of view ironhands is putting out is that he doesnt feel anything is worth buying right now so it will be a waste of money. Well enough people buy the crap out of legendaries and epics to make the AH a great addition and when DLC's are brought in it will be already sitting their smiling to sell the new loot for those grinders.

As for "Scrip Farmers" I used to play WoW since vanilla. It's called ignoring. Not hard to do. As for Defiance, PC gamers will prolly have problems with scrip farmers but all MMO's do. Console players not so much unless they find the profit is worth paying for that XBL Gold. PS3 might be affected, but who cares about PS3 anyways.

[ironhands]

what i have gatherd from reading this entire thread is that. Ironhands here is a know it all and doesnt like change and is butt hurt that weapon progression isnt very heavy at the moment but is oblivious to the fact that Defiance wont be this exact same way for ever and legendaries and epics eventually will take the progression they deserve to be resonable to buy.

You're very wrong on that, sorry. It has nothing to do with liking, or not liking change. If I didn't like change, wouldn't I be in favor of an AH, since it's supposed to be "standard" in every MMO? I'm also very happy with the current weapon progression, I don't know where you got that I wanted it or was butthurt over it, considering I state the exact opposite in my signature. What gives you the impression that legendaries or epics will become better as time goes on? There is absolutely nothing to base that on, one way or the other.

Some people just simply enjoy the hobby of buying and trading regardless if it is the weapon that supports their play style or not. Fact of the matter is, people want an AH and it will make things much easier for the player base. The devs are payed to work their rears off for us so let them work and do their job while we enjoy our game we paid for and contribute our personel time to playing it. The only con i see to the AH from the point of view ironhands is putting out is that he doesnt feel anything is worth buying right now so it will be a waste of money. Well enough people buy the crap out of legendaries and epics to make the AH a great addition and when DLC's are brought in it will be already sitting their smiling to sell the new loot for those grinders.

Sure, I get that, but some people also prefer RP, should they add more emotes, empty houses, and an improved set of text chat options to support that to? SOME people want an auction house, but certainly not everyone, many people don't want one, many people also agree that it really isn't necessary. Nobody has been able to give a valid reason to add one, beyond "it would make the current trading system easier". With only one valid point for it, and all of the potential negatives, and the fact that there's really nothing really worth buying it, I really don't see why the devs should focus on setting one up, when there are many, many other more important things to work on. I've no problem with an AH in general, I made a fortune in EQ selling crafted items, but in this game.. WHY?!

Well enough people buy the crap out of legendaries and epics to make the AH a great addition and when DLC's are brought in it will be already sitting their smiling to sell the new loot for those grinders.

Sure, but, won't this take away a lot of the experience and play time from the DLC? Oh look, all the new weapons I want, I can buy them with the scrip I've already saved up..and now I'm bored since there's nothing to work towards. If people just want to sell the items to make money, can't you just jack up the vendor prices? Even so, what do you do with the scrip once you've got it, there's nothing to spend it on. If people just want to buy the newest weapons faster, why not just create a vendor with a more diverse stock? If there's no crafting, the usefulness of an AH is really, really limited.

As for "Scrip Farmers" I used to play WoW since vanilla. It's called ignoring. Not hard to do. As for Defiance, PC gamers will prolly have problems with scrip farmers but all MMO's do. Console players not so much unless they find the profit is worth paying for that XBL Gold. PS3 might be affected, but who cares about PS3 anyways.

How do you ignore voice spam?

[Trew]

Are people forgetting that you need keys & scrip to get lockboxes too?
Not to mention Ark Salvage should become tradable soon.