Shotguns are not the problem YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Xeno plx]

And i am currently anticipating a well thought out i have to '";/.?,>, reply with exact punctuation and spelling hoping it will make you look more "adult" weeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll no. its amazing really out of 99.9% of all the feedback i've got from this thread most people agree so either you know nothing about pvp or you're just a lost troll trying to troll the wrong person or even worse you're a defiance forum tough guy.

My middle finger is up because i currently do not give a F*** about anything you have to say that is non constructive

[Tyger]

Actually this thread is quickly filling up with your self-bump rants. Edit function. Learn it. Use it.

[Xeno plx]

Great reply man...amazing input...teach me

[Mowazzy]

Trion should include mines as part of the grenade load out. Would fix cloakers pretty quickly as they wouldn't be able to circle around for easy kills. I agree, a big problem is that people are complaining for nerfs rather than figuring out how to combat the shotty/cloak combo. I was a bit weary when I began PVP, but it took literally 3 rounds to figure out which loadout would keep me alive and killing. People, especially video gamers are lazy as all hell and instead of researching solutions to the shotgun/ cloak combo they rant and rave on forums while the smart people are farming lol

[Xeno plx]

Couldn't agree more. Thank-you for your input.

[Upinya Slayin]

Trion should include mines as part of the grenade load out. Would fix cloakers pretty quickly as they wouldn't be able to circle around for easy kills. I agree, a big problem is that people are complaining for nerfs rather than figuring out how to combat the shotty/cloak combo. I was a bit weary when I began PVP, but it took literally 3 rounds to figure out which loadout would keep me alive and killing. People, especially video gamers are lazy as all hell and instead of researching solutions to the shotgun/ cloak combo they rant and rave on forums while the smart people are farming lol

nope just nope. so a team can aly out mines and hide in a box all game behind teh mines? terrible idea.

[mrs0019]

Lol! Minefields!

"I dare you to cross my trench of death!"

Would certainly make sneaking up on a sniper more interesting...but yeah, no. No mines. Frags, bangs, bio, bug, and inc grenades are more than enough.

[Tyger]

nope just nope. so a team can aly out mines and hide in a box all game behind teh mines? terrible idea.

Pretty much this. Once an area of the map is found that can't easily be accessed by more than one route it would just become a tower defense game of who wants to chance the mine field for the win. I could see a team getting 1 kill then hiding out for the timer to hand them the win rather than actually fighting it out till the desired Kill limit was pinged.

Will always be a select few who look for the easiest path to xp.

[Kronik]

with an ar bmg combo I avg 7-2 with shotty cloak My avg became 12-3

yes its op honestley stop trying to protect your favorite weapon anyone who tries it sees the benefits thats why it dominates pvp.
I like it though most shotty users have horrible kd ratios

[Serthy]

Actually cloak is really the only thing that is OP, as far as everything else, maybe fix lag on servers so that everyone connects to a dedicated pvp server, in my expierience this cuts down on teleporting and BS kills.

I like my manually detonated grenade launcher makes me happy.