Trion if you care about the whole community...

[Shadow Viper]

please nerf shotguns in pvp. I know I'm not the only one who hates pvp because of this and it makes it unbearable to play. I dread going into pvp matches for the daily and weekly challenges and can not wait to get all the challenges done so I do not have to play that crap again. Everything else about the game is great and pvp could be great if we could use all weapon types and not worry about people spamming shotguns all the time.

PVP needs an entire overhaul, not just one weapon

[DaMaJaDiZ]

They won't nerf shotguns because they're so in love with them as a tool of choice for pvp. I have a feeling that the idea is that it's supposed to be a shotgun heavy mode by design. Anything that you can do with other weapons is secondary, and more power to you for trying. Shotguns are this generations rocket launchers.

[Commander Shepard]

I use an assault rifle and recently started using a northstar flare pistol for backup. To test and get the feel for the pistol I used it exclusively for several matches on observatory, ego power is overcharge. I went 16/8,17/7,10/7,4/8(yeah yeah terrible) and 12/3. Not the best scores ever but my point is you can do well without being a copycat like 90% of the people who play pvp.

I don't see anything wrong with shotguns, keep playing, learn how to counter them. Spray down empty rooms , shoot explosives down hallways, its not hard to find cloaked shotgun users, and they are screwed when you do reveal them trying to sneak up on you, cuz most of them will then (surprise surprise) try to pull out the ranged infector which is no match for an overcharged assault rifle, if you can aim.

Honestly pvp is going to get harder if trion does listen to all the crying and nerf shotguns, because then people will have to use weapons that require aiming, and once they learn how to aim, your gonna have a lot more to cry about.

[Cyripax NeoPrime]

If they cared about the whole community, they would have two sets of weapons stats.

Thank you! At least theres others who have half a brain...


And to other guy, its not really shotguns that are op, its shotguns+ cloak. That one combo. Something needs to be done. The arguement will never end , whether they nerf them or not, or whether they bar ego powers and direcly related perks from pvp. I see both sides of this arguement, and both sides have valid points. Thats certain if ppl are,looking at this fairly.

Bu the bottom line is, and the main reason SOMETHING/ANYTHING needs to be done is .......pvp is not fun anymore, if everyone in a group is in cahouts to all use that combo, its a nightmare. its become quite clear this combo is ruining the fun for thousands of us. Pvp should be a test of skill. Not an invisible sneak up on you like predator and 1 shot you fest. And unless your johnny f*ing law or annie oakley with any other weapon the only way to combat these ppl is to as well give in and use the same combo. Which is why its the most used combo in pvp.

I dont think they should restrict ppl from using this , but they need to dumb this combo down somehow, whether it be the shotty side, or better yet make the cloak easier to see and shorter for pvp, an easier to see cloak will not effect pve, as when your in cloak in pve npcs cant see you by program, no matter how visible you would be. BUT the BEST solution by far is to have pvp and pve specs different and seperate, so they can bring back our infectors from total bull ****, to basically useless. If anything infectors needed a boost for pve, not the nerf they got to appease the pvp side. And I find it funny they nerfed them so quickly, for pvp, and have yet to do anything about the shotty situation. Make everyone happy trion! Seperate stats!!

[Schwa]

They won't nerf shotguns because they're so in love with them as a tool of choice for pvp. I have a feeling that the idea is that it's supposed to be a shotgun heavy mode by design. Anything that you can do with other weapons is secondary, and more power to you for trying. Shotguns are this generations rocket launchers.

Toot.

"Shotguns are completely overpowered. They are. And they will be getting a nerf. What those details are, you know, is coming. Um, for patch 1.020 we're going to be kind of introducing a dev blog that actually explains a lot of the changes that are coming to the patch and some of those will be revolving around nerfs, um, to specific things in the game. You know, and uh, I know cloak is one of those, most people run around with shotguns, cloak, and infectors-- that's understandable because they are a little bit more overpowered than some of the other weapons." ~So sayeth Sledge, 5/15 Defiance Central Podcast

Nerf imminent. For more context, follow the link. Since I transcribed it, I can be an ******* and make it as blunt as I want. Woo!

[Arsenic_Touch]

Toot.

"Shotguns are completely overpowered. They are. And they will be getting a nerf. What those details are, you know, is coming. Um, for patch 1.020 we're going to be kind of introducing a dev blog that actually explains a lot of the changes that are coming to the patch and some of those will be revolving around nerfs, um, to specific things in the game. You know, and uh, I know cloak is one of those, most people run around with shotguns, cloak, and infectors-- that's understandable because they are a little bit more overpowered than some of the other weapons." ~So sayeth Sledge, 5/15 Defiance Central Podcast

Nerf imminent. For more context, follow the link.

....this is very disheartening to listen to and read.
Looks like they're going screw up pve again.

[Cricket]

KEEP the Shotguns!! Just the way they are!! No nerf, no penalty for cloak/SG. Its a great combo!

[Schwa]

....this is very disheartening to listen to and read.
Looks like they're going screw up pve again.

Really? Ever since I killed a bulwark with a sawed-off I wanted them to nerf the **** out of shotguns. Don't even mention cluster shot-- can effectively replace the entire detonator class of weapon for PVE.

[Orge Lambart]

Nerf Shotguns PVE players are angry and Shotguns become worthless, PVP kiddies move onto the next item they want nerfed, probably infectors.

Infectors get nerfed to appease the PVP kiddies, PVE players are unhappy, they begin to trickle away from the game.

PVPers still angry about stuff, want Cloak nerfed. Cloak gets nerfed...

More PVE'ers move away from the game because all the nerfs totally leave these items useless in PVE.

COD Ghosts comes out... all the PVPer's disappear and Trion is left with a totally unbalanced game, they nerfed to appease the PVP savages who will turn tail and run when the next PVP game comes out.

Really Trion can you not just make PVP nerfs only take effect when you enter PVP match making?

[Schwa]

Nerf Shotguns PVE players are angry and Shotguns become worthless, PVP kiddies move onto the next item they want nerfed, probably infectors.

Infectors get nerfed to appease the PVP kiddies, PVE players are unhappy, they begin to trickle away from the game.

PVPers still angry about stuff, want Cloak nerfed. Cloak gets nerfed...

More PVE'ers move away from the game because all the nerfs totally leave these items useless in PVE.

COD Ghosts comes out... all the PVPer's disappear and Trion is left with a totally unbalanced game, they nerfed to appease the PVP savages who will turn tail and run when the next PVP game comes out.

Really Trion can you not just make PVP nerfs only take effect when you enter PVP match making?

Sledge directly confirmed shotguns, but he mentioned them in a trifecta of cloak, shotgun, infector. It's not unreasonable to expect nerfs for all three since he says they're all above the line.