this is simple...

[JonDav]

So tell me what was the point of all that? And did you even read the other posts? This thread is a debate thread not a bashing thread either way. You have a concern about the game post it like an adult and not a whining ***** was the point of the original post. I have the same problems has everybody else. Must wanted to talk to people who had the same concerns as everybody else but are going to stick it out.

So you "request" people to post complaints like an adult and not a whining *****. However, while making your request, you sound like a whining *****. Hilarious. Bottom line is, people who purchased this product do not need some random gamer telling them how to express their displeasure. If you simply wanted to reach out to those sticking around for the long run, a good portion of your whinny *** OP could been excluded. As someone said a page or so back, this is the interwebz. Deal with it.

[Recco]

I was just being a wise***** with that part

Lol I know

[Panthan]

You have not lost faith in Trion. Ok, and? What do you want, a congratulatory pat on the back? Trion is not new to game development nor are they new to game forums. I'm pretty sure they completely understand how a forum community acts when a product is plagued with a number of issues. These threads are no better than the threads you people complain about. Ya'll say "complaint" threads add nothing to a forum, but they're sure as hell more constructive than random "I support Trion" nonsense. This game's community is nosediving fast. People up here have posted a number of statistics to show how laughably low the PC activity is. Not even three weeks after release, Defiance couldn't even crack the top 20 activity list on Xbox live (the platform it supposedly sold the most units on). A "MMO" that failed to amass a community bigger than non-MMO games that came out 3-4 years ago.I can only imagine how low the PS3 community is being that it sold under half of what the 360, did. Trion has people spoonfeeding then information on how to fix their product. A dying product that needs fixing. People should be embracing the idea of staying on Trion's case and stressing the importance of fixing this mess. Will Trion listen? Who knows but I'd sure as hell take my chances with people venting frustration than with people throwing unmerited, blind loyalty.

Then discuss these issues respectfully and in a constructive manner. But there are too many posters who seem to feel the urge to derail nearly ever topic into a discussing about their rant of choise, THIS is wrong.
If I would create a topic about the Length of a VBI ar or even express my enjoyment, we should be able to do so.
But but but sucking up to! No. Most of the time the more positive threads are really aimed at other players to discuss the respective topics, not aimed to Trion nor to suck up to them, we should be able to do so, derailing these into "rant X" isnt getting on Trion's case, thats just to bash or troll for the sake of bash or trolling. Infact, its getting the the case of the poster instead of Trion's.
There's a time and place for everything and the same person repeating the very same thing over and over doesnt achieve anything, they are aware of the concern(s), you dont achieve anything by repeating it over and over.. constantly.
Having a mature, respectfull and constructive discussion about it on the other hand does work.

[Recco]

So you "request" people to post complaints like an adult and not a whining *****. However, while making your request, you sound like a whining *****. Hilarious. Bottom line is, people who purchased this product do not need some random gamer telling them how to express their displeasure. If you simply wanted to reach out to those sticking around for the long run, a good portion of your whinny *** OP could been excluded. As someone said a page or so back, this is the interwebz. Deal with it.

What part expressing how I'm tired of people rambling about the same **** over and over? In ways that aren't conductive to the progress of the game. Most give no reason to why they are mad or w/e if you have a reason to be mad fine be mad the game ain't for everyone but if people hate it so much stay off the forums return the game and be done with it.

[JonDav]

Then discuss these issues respectfully and in a constructive manner. But there are too many posters who seem to feel the urge to derail nearly ever topic into a discussing about their rant of choise, THIS is wrong.
If I would create a topic about the Length of a VBI ar or even express my enjoyment, we should be able to do so.
But but but sucking up to! No. Most of the time the more positive threads are really aimed at other players to discuss the respective topics, not aimed to Trion nor to suck up to them, we should be able to do so, derailing these into "rant X" isnt getting on Trion's case, thats just to bash or troll for the sake of bash or trolling. Infact, its getting the the case of the poster instead of Trion's.
There's a time and place for everything and the same person repeating the very same thing over and over doesnt achieve anything, they are aware of the concern(s), you dont achieve anything by repeating it over and over.. constantly.
Having a mature, respectfull and constructive discussion about it on the other hand does work.

Once again, this is the freaking internet. Are you new to this? Do you honestly think someone hellbent on bringing destruction is going to listen to some random gamer? No, nor should they have to. They purchased the product just like you. They have every right to express themselves any damn way they please. If the mods feel as if certain post violate any forum rules, they will implement the correct actions. If they don't, blame them. Man up and deal with it. Ignore post, ignore users, use the number of options available for christ sakes.

[Recco]

Once again, this is the freaking internet. Are you new to this? Do you honestly think someone hellbent on bringing destruction is going to listen to some random gamer? No, nor should they have to. They purchased the product just like you. They have every right to express themselves any damn way they please. If the mods feel as if certain post violate any forum rules, they will implement the correct actions. If they don't, blame them. Man up and deal with it. Ignore post, ignore users, use the number of options available for christ sakes.

Calm down. That's why I made this thread for people to discuss not bash. You want to discuss then discuss don't bash me or anyone for what they have said and there's definitely no reason to get *****y. Your saying we all have the right to express ourselves how we want. Well I'm definitely not violating any rules so why come into this thread just to ***** about what we are talking about? Kinda hypocritical if you ask me

[JonDav]

Calm down. That's why I made this thread for people to discuss not bash. You want to discuss then discuss don't bash me or anyone for what they have said and there's definitely no reason to get *****y. Your saying we all have the right to express ourselves how we want. Well I'm definitely not violating any rules so why come into this thread just to ***** about what we are talking about? Kinda hypocritical if you ask me

This thread wouldn't exist if you didn't feel the need to dictate how people express themselves on a forum. I never implied that people couldn't express themselves. I stated a number of obvious actions that people can take when differing opinions hurt their feelings. Huge difference their, guy.

[Recco]

This thread wouldn't exist if you didn't feel the need to dictate how people express themselves on a forum. I never implied that people couldn't express themselves. I stated a number of obvious actions that people can take when differing opinions hurt their feelings. Huge difference their, guy.

When have I said people can't express themselves? All I said is I'm tired of whinning and *****ing and would like people to express themselves in an adult way. Read the posts in this thread people stated their concerns I stated mine and that I agreed but even in the OP I stated that'd I'd like to talk to people who are sticking it out. You on the other hand just want to ***** and complain without understanding anything

[Panthan]

Once again, this is the freaking internet. Are you new to this? Do you honestly think someone hellbent on bringing destruction is going to listen to some random gamer? No, nor should they have to. They purchased the product just like you. They have every right to express themselves any damn way they please. If the mods feel as if certain post violate any forum rules, they will implement the correct actions. If they don't, blame them. Man up and deal with it. Ignore post, ignore users, use the number of options available for christ sakes.

Surely the irony in your own statement didnt escape you.
I dont need to man up, I can read betwine the line, I dont even need to add any name to my ignore list, ~15 years of mmos and still have to ignore the 1st person.
As stated before, which.. you chose to ignore entirely, Im fine with people expressing their concerns and fustrations but theres a time and place for everything. They do have the right to complain and express what ever concern, but people who want to have a more optimistic post have that very same right, too many of these.. bashers DO go out of their ways to take that right away though.
infact.. i said this :

we should be able to debate this game in peace and respectfully.

please tell me where this says that only applies to posive posts and by all means please point out where I said even remotely people need to stop posting their critizism.

[Recco]

Surely the irony in your own statement didnt escape you.
I dont need to man up, I can read betwine the line, I dont even need to add any name to my ignore list, ~15 years of mmos and still have to ignore the 1st person.
As stated before, which.. you chose to ignore entirely, Im fine with people expressing their concerns and fustrations but theres a time and place for everything. They do have the right to complain and express what ever concern, but people who want to have a more optimistic post have that very same right, too many of these.. bashers DO go out of their ways to take that right away though.
infact.. i said this :

please tell me where this says that only applies to posive posts and by all means please point out where I said even remotely people need to stop posting their critizism.

He apperently don't understand or has his head too far up his *** to see an adult perspective on things.