Today's gamers.

[Archangel]

First, let me start off by saying this is a troll post if there ever was one. "Oh modern gamers this, older gamers that", it was made for flaming and nothing more.

Now, getting down to the context of it. Have you listened to the narcissism of you people? "Well, that was the fun in gaming, to figure something out then keep it a secret to watch all your friends squirm". I got news for you, modern gamers learned how to game from you older gamers. You taught them to be this way. Now you are surprised when they turned out to be a more intense version of what you already are?

Next, you have the issue that some of us older gamers know, which I believe was already mentioned but im going to bring it back up anyway was that we were smart enough to go look for information before just jumping face first into something we knew nothing about. Take Final Fantasy X for example, how are you supposed to figure out you get that special weapon for dodging 100 consecutive lightning bolts. Who was honestly stupid enough to sit down for I dont even want to think of how many hours to figure that out. What kind of person has THAT little of a life. Sitting down to figure some of this stuff out doesnt make you accomplished, it makes you a fool. Would you perform scientific experiments without doing some research first? Then why would you play a video game without researching it? There is nothing wrong with using all available information to solve a problem.

Then, what none of you "hardcore gamers" know how to take into account is not everyone on earth is as blessed as you are, with having no responsibilities, near unlimited funding, and more time then one could know what to do with. Your average gamer does not have 20hrs a day to devote to a video game. We have friends, and work, and lives that do not allow us such amounts of free time. I dont have 6hrs to sit down and figure out some stupid mechanic thats hidden in a bunch of backdrop just so I can progress to the next area. Not everyone plays a game to be challenged by it, some of us only care about them for being an interactive book. Some people sit down and read a book to escape, I however need a bit more activity then that, so I play a video game. And what you have to keep in mind is your hardcore gamers do not make up even a fraction of a games sales. Its the average gamers like me, and we require a game that does not make one want to have a nervous breakdown trying to complete it.

And the great thing about game programming is anyone can learn to do it. If you dont like the caliber of the games coming out right now, by all means, go make your own and show us what you can do. You dont like how games are being dumb'd down for the average gamer, well thats because there are maybe 6 big game developers on earth and they are responsible for 90% of the games on the market. Dont like their business strategy, come up with a better one. If your as right about it as you believe you are, then there should be no problem propelling your own company to the top of the charts.

Sorry still reading through all the pages.

I can agree to some extent your statements here.

But the problem i see in todays gamers is as follows.

Yes, we, including myself have lives, families, work, real world things we would rather be investing time towards than spending 6-12 hours a day raiding/puzzle solving/learning through trial and errors in games.

I get this point of view.

Here is the problem. People who want a simple easy expirence in their games go out and buy games that are not easy and simple. Then they flame, complain, b**ch about the game and how they pre-ordered it so they are (keey word comming) ENTITLED to have the game be changed to their liking.

Because of the high speed internet and now the ability to have DLC/Patches/Updates to any game. Not all, but there is a % of todays "Casual" gamer who is just looking for entertainment in the wrong place and thus becoming a troll.

If your a casual with a RL, then buy games like Peggle, or Super Meat Boy, Minecraft. Ya know, those mindless games you can walk away from at any time to go answer the front door or to go check on your kids who are screaming in the next room.

So there is an issue when people want a casual game expirence and at the same time want to play the hottest titles coming out. Then are surprised the game they wanted wasn't a casual game and instead of just saying "Not for me." They complain.

This is whats wrong.

[Angyl]

You are in a forest.

>Go north

You are in a forest.

>Go north

You see a troll.

>kill troll

Sorry I don't understand that

>hit troll

Sorry I don't understand that

>attack troll

Sorry I don't understand that


The good old days, graphics? pah young uns don't know their born

Aging myself here, but, wow, I used to have a couple of these. On a Tandy lmao.

>use club

[Myria]

I am 42 [...]

Not the eldest girl gamer around here, then.

Not sure if I should be sad or glad to say...

I'm thinking the former, but I'll fake the latter instead.

Personally I'm not really sure if gamers today are any better or worse than in times past, I go back and forth in my opinion. The market has certainly broadened and that has lead to games like WoW and, let's face it, Defiance focusing on... Well, gamers who are less intense in their approach to gaming. Doesn't mean there aren't plenty of hardcore gamers around, and plenty of meaningful challenges to be found, it's just that gaming as a business is no longer focused on that hardcore, but instead on a broader market.

The one thing I do notice about younger gamers, and younger people in general, is they tend to be relatively technologically illiterate. It makes sense to a degree, in the old days you had to at least have a basic understanding of how things worked to do anything. You had to tell games what I/O memory address range/IRQ/DMA channel your sound card was on, had to know how to edit your autoexec.bat and config.sys, and you probably built and rebuilt your system so often you could do it in your sleep. Connecting to a board mean having to know what settings and protocol to use. To get on the net you had to set up your own TCP/IP stack.

Knowing how all these things worked was nearly a requirement if you wanted to do anything meaningful. Now it's all plug-and-play, and even that isn't the plug-and-pray joke it once was. Hell, using the old "CChheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh" joke just gets you strange looks and the occasional "What is a duplex switch?". They don't have to know how things work, so by and large they don't.

[Covington]

Because of the high speed internet and now the ability to have DLC/Patches/Updates to any game. Not all, but there is a % of todays "Casual" gamer who is just looking for entertainment in the wrong place and thus becoming a troll.

Snipped even though it was perfect and well said, this is the problem.

Like I said people go online to get (paper book) Sudoku answers when they can either do the puzzle itself or go to the back of the book. This "entitlement" to have everything now and done is really a problem. Games are for mind challenges, thinking exercises, physical exercises, and learning. If you are told what to do you are not learning - and thus not gaming.

[chrismeyer34]

The young gamers being griped about didn't develop the internet. It was older people who developed and expanded it. It's older people making the devices and, much of the time, older people buying the equipment and giving it to their children. To sit around in front of a computer screen and gripe about the younger people doing the same is a bit counter productive. Those who grew up with XBox's and PS's had them given to them (the majority of the time) by the adults in their lives.

If you give a young person a gun and don't teach them how to use and it's place in their lives, then you can't gripe if they end up using it for the wrong thing. Train them, don't gripe at them after you leave them to themselves and they don't end up like you think they should have.

Example: 'He son/daughter, you can play these games to keep you busy why I go do something else, and I'll buy you some new ones when these get old. Just don't bother me, I'm busy working hard so I can buy you these games and update your equipment when necessary.'

actually i had bought mine with money i earned by doing landscaping, well if an adult gave a young person a gun 1. thats really stupid, 2. that person shouldnt be a parent and 3. a really bad anology, reeeeeeally bad lmao...

people always want to make someone responsible for a young persons lack of common sense when theyre suppose to be taught that from the age 5 and up and i hate to tell ya, that wont fly on this thread...and actually bill gates was quite young when he fiddled around with the idea of the " worldwide web "....watch silicon valley, it actually talked about him and his best friend's life and them coming up with the idea of it and was based on facts...young kids make up a huge majority of gamers today, so yes they do influence the gaming product on the shelves today and will always influence the gaming industry, this is fact

[Covington]

The one thing I do notice about younger gamers, and younger people in general, is they tend to be relatively technologically illiterate. It makes sense to a degree, in the old days you had to at least have a basic understanding of how things worked to do anything.

Waves to Mryia!!! Yay I was worried I was in a sea of 20somethings - feeling old.

I must say though - at least my friends and my "people" the kids today - we nerds and geeks - ARE actually quite amazing little engineers. I am not talking the vast population but they never were. I have friends you tell me how to do things before I get a chance to sit down (yeah I am looking at you Gabrielle).

We were at a estate sale Saturday and this young boy and his father were digging though all the OLD - I mean OLD computer parts they were selling (an entire basement). Nearly made me cry hearing the little guy talk, damn he was smarter than I am now. It gave me hope for the future - at least we got one Woz in the wings! He was pointing out what everything does and how he was going to use them (on reflection I think he might have been building a combat robot thinking of what he was picking up).

So at least the "nerds" (classic use of the word not the retooled "geek" version of it now) are still here and proud.

[chrismeyer34]

Sorry still reading through all the pages.

I can agree to some extent your statements here.

But the problem i see in todays gamers is as follows.

Yes, we, including myself have lives, families, work, real world things we would rather be investing time towards than spending 6-12 hours a day raiding/puzzle solving/learning through trial and errors in games.

I get this point of view.

Here is the problem. People who want a simple easy expirence in their games go out and buy games that are not easy and simple. Then they flame, complain, b**ch about the game and how they pre-ordered it so they are (keey word comming) ENTITLED to have the game be changed to their liking.

Because of the high speed internet and now the ability to have DLC/Patches/Updates to any game. Not all, but there is a % of todays "Casual" gamer who is just looking for entertainment in the wrong place and thus becoming a troll.

If your a casual with a RL, then buy games like Peggle, or Super Meat Boy, Minecraft. Ya know, those mindless games you can walk away from at any time to go answer the front door or to go check on your kids who are screaming in the next room.

So there is an issue when people want a casual game expirence and at the same time want to play the hottest titles coming out. Then are surprised the game they wanted wasn't a casual game and instead of just saying "Not for me." They complain.

This is whats wrong.

agreed, this is what i said earlier to him...if you dont want to use your noodle then play a game that doesnt require the use of it, told him about the different genre's of games out there. maybe he didnt understand, he might have to google it to comprehend it...thats what i do, im constantly looking for new games to add to my collection, i watch vids look up ratings...hell i was stoked about the aliens: colonial marines game, was gonna preorder it...then i saw there was a lawsuit against sega? about how the game wasnt what was expected...glad i did the mature thing and looked it up instead of doing what ramano would do and buy the game w/o doing any research of any kind, only to find out it was totally the opposite of what i was expecting and therefore was a complete waste of money...so i agree completely with your post, more people need to do research before buying a game to see if it fits into their no brainer mentality of gaming, if you want a casual game then dont buy a puzzle game that will require hrs or a month or 2 to complete and if you do, then dont get on threads and gripe about stuff

[chrismeyer34]

Waves to Mryia!!! Yay I was worried I was in a sea of 20somethings - feeling old.

I must say though - at least my friends and my "people" the kids today - we nerds and geeks - ARE actually quite amazing little engineers. I am not talking the vast population but they never were. I have friends you tell me how to do things before I get a chance to sit down (yeah I am looking at you Gabrielle).

We were at a estate sale Saturday and this young boy and his father were digging though all the OLD - I mean OLD computer parts they were selling (an entire basement). Nearly made me cry hearing the little guy talk, damn he was smarter than I am now. It gave me hope for the future - at least we got one Woz in the wings! He was pointing out what everything does and how he was going to use them (on reflection I think he might have been building a combat robot thinking of what he was picking up).

So at least the "nerds" (classic use of the word not the retooled "geek" version of it now) are still here and proud.

i was proud to be called a nerd back in the 80's lmao...had other kids ( the jocks and the " cool kids " ) come to me for answers or to fix assignments, even had cute girls ask if i could help them with their work...was proud to be a nerd back then and proud to still be 1 now lmfao

[chrismeyer34]

Snipped even though it was perfect and well said, this is the problem.

Like I said people go online to get (paper book) Sudoku answers when they can either do the puzzle itself or go to the back of the book. This "entitlement" to have everything now and done is really a problem. Games are for mind challenges, thinking exercises, physical exercises, and learning. If you are told what to do you are not learning - and thus not gaming.

absolutely...its like back in the day kids knew how to change oil in a car, fix a bike or even build a tree house, today kids wouldnt know the 1st thing about those things which is really sad cuz when it comes down to it, how the hell are they going to survive in the world if they cant think, act or function on their own without having being told what to do

[Jax Bane]

Sorry still reading through all the pages.

I can agree to some extent your statements here.

But the problem i see in todays gamers is as follows.

Yes, we, including myself have lives, families, work, real world things we would rather be investing time towards than spending 6-12 hours a day raiding/puzzle solving/learning through trial and errors in games.

I get this point of view.

Here is the problem. People who want a simple easy expirence in their games go out and buy games that are not easy and simple. Then they flame, complain, b**ch about the game and how they pre-ordered it so they are (keey word comming) ENTITLED to have the game be changed to their liking.

Because of the high speed internet and now the ability to have DLC/Patches/Updates to any game. Not all, but there is a % of todays "Casual" gamer who is just looking for entertainment in the wrong place and thus becoming a troll.

If your a casual with a RL, then buy games like Peggle, or Super Meat Boy, Minecraft. Ya know, those mindless games you can walk away from at any time to go answer the front door or to go check on your kids who are screaming in the next room.

So there is an issue when people want a casual game expirence and at the same time want to play the hottest titles coming out. Then are surprised the game they wanted wasn't a casual game and instead of just saying "Not for me." They complain.

This is whats wrong.

Have to say. you Nailed it!!!